I need help in Belgium

[Igor Ostapenko]

I need information from Moniteur 1842 or 1843 years about this man 

[revolutie1830]

 

Hello Igor,

 

this is the citation for this medal for courage. In french language but I am sure you can find a way to translate this. The box is not original for this medal but. It is a box for Cross for Volunteers of 1830. 

[Igor Ostapenko]

1 hour ago, revolutie1830 said:

 

Hello Igor,

 

this is the citation for this medal for courage. In french language but I am sure you can find a way to translate this. The box is not original for this medal but. It is a box for Cross for Volunteers of 1830. 

Thank You very much !!! 

“ On August 19, 1842, the name Paul-Auguste Guillaume, sub-brigadier of customs in Selzaete, threw himself fully dressed into the canal from Ghent to Terneuzen, and he exposed himself to greater danger, to save the life of a 7 year old child, who was about to drown
2565. To Mr. Guillaume Paul-Auguste, Selzaete, the silver medal and a sum of 15 francs.“ 

 

about box - good news too, thank you ! 
now I have box for cross   

 

may be you can help me with this medal too ? 

 

[Igor Ostapenko]

First type of medal for courage , not from my collection 

 

bronze 

reverse 

 

37 mm, 27 grams 

silver 

37.7 mm 

28 gr. 

reverse of silver medal 

Gilded silver 

37.7 mm , 

30.2 gr. 

 

 

Next, little medal 

 

24.5 mm 

6.15 gr. 

 

these medals from museum 

[revolutie1830]

On 06/10/2023 at 21:15, Igor Ostapenko said:

Thank You very much !!! 

“ On August 19, 1842, the name Paul-Auguste Guillaume, sub-brigadier of customs in Selzaete, threw himself fully dressed into the canal from Ghent to Terneuzen, and he exposed himself to greater danger, to save the life of a 7 year old child, who was about to drown
2565. To Mr. Guillaume Paul-Auguste, Selzaete, the silver medal and a sum of 15 francs.“ 

 

about box - good news too, thank you ! 
now I have box for cross   

 

may be you can help me with this medal too ? 

 

 

 

Hello Igor, your medal misses its crown. It should be like the picture included.

Greetings, Werner 

[Igor Ostapenko]

I know . 
original medal , but lost crown … 
may be you can help me with Moniteur 1860 or 1861 yy ? 

[revolutie1830]

Hello Igor,

 

what are you looking for ? Maybe I can help you.

Regarding your medal awarded to" ISERENTANT", you may find it above. I send you this yesterday. 🙂  

 

[VC89]

Nice medals.

 

Looks like those crowns break off easily. I was annoyed at myself when mine broke off but found that it happened in the past and was fixed poorly and on the wrong spot ... it's corrected now 😛

 

@revolutie1830: Where do you find those citations? I cant' find anything about the name on my medal.

[Igor Ostapenko]

11 hours ago, revolutie1830 said:

Hello Igor,

 

what are you looking for ? Maybe I can help you.

Regarding your medal awarded to" ISERENTANT", you may find it above. I send you this yesterday. 🙂  

 

THANK YOU !!! 🍷

[revolutie1830]

Hello VC89.

 

There's a study about these medals where you can find those names. You can also find them in "Moniteur Belge" - "Belgisch Staatsblad".

Your medal should be a second class, the medal is gilded silver and the crown silver. Perhaps you can do some cleaning.

He also received a silver medal (third class) for an other act of bravery in 1849.

 

Greetings

[VC89]

Thank Revolutie1830.

I found what I was looking for. The medal is indeed made of silver, it has the mark of C.J. Buls (B above a wreath), looks like I forgot to mentioned that 🤭. The gilded part is lost over time but faintly visiable on the side.

 

Kind regards,

Vincent

[Hendrik]

19 hours ago, revolutie1830 said:

There's a study about these medals where you can find those names.

Hello revolutie1830,

The Moniteur Belge - Belgisch Staatsblad not being available where I am, I would be interested in the study mentioned above. Could you give some more details about it and where it can be acquired ?

Regards,

Hendrik

[Hendrik]

Hi revolutie1830,

Thank you for the informative PM on the above question and your kind offer to furnish information on a few of the medals I have in my collection. Here's a first one, a silver-gilt 2nd class medal by Buls and its reverse reads :

J.B. SCHRADER BRUXELLES 25 NOV. 1849

 

 

Regards,

Hendrik

 

Edited October 17, 2023 by Hendrik

[revolutie1830]

 

Regards, Werner

[Hendrik]

Hello Werner,

 

Many thanks for the citation. Translated into English it goes like this :

 

Schrader Jean-Baptiste, policeman, Brussels 25 November 1849. Silver Gilt.

A woman had fallen, on 25 November 1849, around 11 o'clock at night, in a basin on a construction site; she had already disappeared under the water when policeman Schrader, drawn by the cries for help of this woman, jumped, fully clothed, into the water and managed through great exertions to rescue her.

 

Shall we do another one ? This one is a 3rd class (silver) medal to J.F. Bombeek, Ichtegem 5 September 1847 :

 

 

Regards,

Hendrik

[bilylev]

Hello,

I have this nice small medal for years already. Would you be so kind and give me the details?

Thank you.

Jan

[bilylev]

Littlebid better picture.

[revolutie1830]

3 hours ago, bilylev said:

Littlebid better picture.

[revolutie1830]

Hello bilylev.

As you can see and read, this one should be in gilded silver and the crown in silver (second class).

His name was engraved in the wrong way, it should be Fenchère instead of Feuchère.

 

Cheers, Werner 

7 hours ago, Hendrik said:

Hello Werner,

 

Many thanks for the citation. Translated into English it goes like this :

 

Schrader Jean-Baptiste, policeman, Brussels 25 November 1849. Silver Gilt.

A woman had fallen, on 25 November 1849, around 11 o'clock at night, in a basin on a construction site; she had already disappeared under the water when policeman Schrader, drawn by the cries for help of this woman, jumped, fully clothed, into the water and managed through great exertions to rescue her.

 

Shall we do another one ? This one is a 3rd class (silver) medal to J.F. Bombeek, Ichtegem 5 September 1847 :

 

 

Regards,

Hendrik

Hello Hendrik,

 

for this one I have to consult an other publication because it is a 1847 medal. 

As you have noticed, the head of Leopold I is smaller. Meaning that originally it was just a medal without crown. Perhaps you can check if this medal was mounted into a circle. Difficult to explaine in English for me. Otherwise send me a PM to explain this in Dutch.

 

Werner 

7 hours ago, Hendrik said:

Hello Werner,

 

Many thanks for the citation. Translated into English it goes like this :

 

Schrader Jean-Baptiste, policeman, Brussels 25 November 1849. Silver Gilt.

A woman had fallen, on 25 November 1849, around 11 o'clock at night, in a basin on a construction site; she had already disappeared under the water when policeman Schrader, drawn by the cries for help of this woman, jumped, fully clothed, into the water and managed through great exertions to rescue her.

 

Shall we do another one ? This one is a 3rd class (silver) medal to J.F. Bombeek, Ichtegem 5 September 1847 :

 

 

Regards,

Hendrik

 

Found him.

 

40 minutes ago, revolutie1830 said:

 

I forgot to mention that the ribbon is not original. It is a modern replacement.

 

Greetings,

 

Werner 

[revolutie1830]

If by any chanche someone would have information about Foreign Orders and Medals awarded to Belgians, I would be very interested.

 

Werner 🙂

[bilylev]

Thank you very much. Of course, I got it some 20 years ago without ribbon. This replacement I gave it later.

Jan

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by bilylev

[Hendrik]

15 hours ago, revolutie1830 said:

If by any chanche someone would have information about Foreign Orders and Medals awarded to Belgians, I would be very interested.

Hello Werner,

 

Thanks for the Bombeck citation above. As to foreign awards to Belgians, I assume you are familiar with the US Medal of Freedom book by Peter Verstraeten ?

 

A final citation request if I may ... 3rd class (silver) medal to G. WATTEEU Lede 20 July 1862. The name may be misspelled on the medal and missing a "W" at the end ...

 

 

Regards,

Hendrik

[Hendrik]

16 hours ago, revolutie1830 said:

As you have noticed, the head of Leopold I is smaller. Meaning that originally it was just a medal without crown. Perhaps you can check if this medal was mounted into a circle.

Hello again Werner,

 

It is indeed a smaller (24 mm) 1837-49 type medal made wearable by adding the mural crown attachment - it hasn't been mounted in a circle. There is a silver mark in the rim (sword or dagger, I've never been sure as to what to call it 🙂).

 

Regards,

Hendrik

[revolutie1830]

4 hours ago, Hendrik said:

Hello Werner,

 

Thanks for the Bombeck citation above. As to foreign awards to Belgians, I assume you are familiar with the US Medal of Freedom book by Peter Verstraeten ?

 

A final citation request if I may ... 3rd class (silver) medal to G. WATTEEU Lede 20 July 1862. The name may be misspelled on the medal and missing a "W" at the end ...

 

 

Regards,

Hendrik

 

As you can see Hendrik, his name was correctly spelled.

 

Indeed I know and have that publication by Peter Verstraeten.

I am aware that its almost impossible but you know that sometimes Belgian groupings comes with a foreign medal or order. 

Maybe I will refraise my question later for a specific medal 😀

 

Regards, Werner 

 

[bilylev]

Hello Werner,

would you be interested in names of Belgian recepients of Czechoslovak Order of White Lion?

Regards

Jan