Stogieman Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Saw this bar in Germany. Don’t understand how the only Austrian decoration is an Iron Crown mitt KD. The miniature devices all look legit to me and the combination seems plausible. But my gut is giving me pause, or am I just being paranoid? Thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtwinVince Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Hmm, could be real, precedence is correct for post-Anschluss, but so many fakes are floating around these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudius Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I maybe in the minority here, but I don’t like the Austrian award in the third position after the KVK w/o S. Even in the era of the post Anschluss. Also the combined devices on the first Bulgarian ribbon. They look miss matched. Lastly, hit the whole thing with a black light and look at those threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 Good Morning! I don’t recall seeing an Iron Crown ribbon on the ribbon bar with swords, on the full sized bar or individual piece, yes, but not on the miniature. With the KD on the ribbon bar I think is correct. i do agree with you that the first Bulgarian ribbon looks like mismatched devices but that doesn’t bother me as much as the only Austrian award being an Iron Crown. Seems to be a rather high level award with no other one. Not my piece, it’s on German eBay. No way to check UV and I won’t be bidding as it’s not my area of interest. I did think it worthy of discussing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernd_W Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) deleted Confused cross with crown Edited June 19 by Bernd_W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 Reposted in the Austro-Hungarian Forum, maybe they can help with my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted June 22 Author Share Posted June 22 Final bid for this bar was 205-Euro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted Saturday at 11:56 Author Share Posted Saturday at 11:56 Never received a logical response to my initial question here or in the Austrian Forum. Someone wanted the bar pretty bad though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted Saturday at 15:29 Share Posted Saturday at 15:29 (edited) On 17/06/2024 at 15:13, Stogieman said: Saw this bar in Germany. Don’t understand how the only Austrian decoration is an Iron Crown mitt KD. The miniature devices all look legit to me and the combination seems plausible. But my gut is giving me pause, or am I just being paranoid? Thoughts?? Not sure why that would be puzzling. Precedents exist (see below) and even if Herr Oberst(leutnant) or Herr Major did receive other Austrian-Hungarian Awards (which may not necessarily be the case) he might have chosen not to wear them on his ribbon bar. https://www.kuenker.de/en/archiv/stueck/57413 Große sächsische Feldschnalle des Oberstleutnants Ludwig Freiherrn von Müller, Kommandeur des sächsischen 1. Königs Husaren-Regiments Nr. 18, mit Bändern für 9 Auszeichnungen. 1) Sachsen: Verdienstorden; 2) Sachsen: Albrechtsorden; 3) Sachsen: Dienstauszeichnung; 4) Preußen: Roter Adler-Orden; 5) Preußen: Kronen-Orden; 6) Sachsen-Weimar: Hausorden vom Weißen Falken; 7) Sachsen-Weimar: Erinnerungsmedaille an die Goldene Hochzeit 1892; 😎 Österreich: Orden der Eisernen Krone; 9) Toskana: Militär-Verdienstorden. Auf der Rückseite Abdecktuch, an Nadel. I have no views on the originality of the bar shown by you, Stogie, but the the fact that it displays the OEK3 as the only Austrian Hungarian award doesn't bother me. Kind regards, Sandro Edited Saturday at 15:30 by GdC26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GdC26 Posted Saturday at 15:54 Share Posted Saturday at 15:54 On 19/06/2024 at 13:21, Stogieman said: Good Morning! I don’t recall seeing an Iron Crown ribbon on the ribbon bar with swords, on the full sized bar or individual piece, yes, but not on the miniature. With the KD on the ribbon bar I think is correct. i do agree with you that the first Bulgarian ribbon looks like mismatched devices but that doesn’t bother me as much as the only Austrian award being an Iron Crown. Seems to be a rather high level award with no other one. Not my piece, it’s on German eBay. No way to check UV and I won’t be bidding as it’s not my area of interest. I did think it worthy of discussing. Swords were reserved for A-H subjects, and denoted award in the face of the enemy, and Austrian WWI era ribbon bars do sport swords if the ÖOEK3 had been awarded for service in hte face of the enemy. But the bar at hand is that of a German (probably: Prussian) officer, as evidenced in particular by the long service ribbon. Whilst a WWI era bestowal of the OEK3 to a foreigner would sport the war decoration, it would not have been awarded without swords. So the absence of swords and the presence of a KD device do make sense. Again, I'm not saying the bar itself is original, just that the presence of a ÖOEK3KD without swords on the bar does not disqualify it. Kind regards, Sandro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted yesterday at 08:56 Author Share Posted yesterday at 08:56 Thanks for the help in understanding!! I see your point. Thank you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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