Avitas Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Hello again,I have a few more badges that I purchased a couple years ago to put up for discussion. First up is this Retired Pilots Badge made of a coppery mix of material. It has a different pin/catch set-up than many of my other badges, but I know there is plenty of opposing views on if these were awarded and how many. Mine is marked either 5 or 55 on the pin and any feedback on this badge is welcome. I fear it may be fake but I thought I would post this for details etc.Thanks again,Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avitas Posted May 28, 2006 Author Share Posted May 28, 2006 and the back of the Retired Pilots badge. The pin is stamped and non-magetic, any comments or opinions?Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Hello again,I fear it may be fake but I thought I would post this for details etc.Thanks again,PatYep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERIC Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Yes Pat, this is a reproduction as well I'm afraid! ERIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hunter Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Real tired pilots are hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Interesting to note that the fakers have stamped the Luftwaffe acceptance code ?5? into the pin in an attempt to make the badge a little more believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 I think after all these years I've seen maybe 5 or 6 that I accepted as real. Scarcer than even a good glider pilot badge. Very hard to find, but they are out there in both buntmetal and zinc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 You are right, Rick...Very sarce!Here's an early example by "Juncker" (C.B collection) that is, IMO, the only one to go for to be certain of obtaining an original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Temple-West Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Reverse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K. Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 "....Very hard to find, but they are out there in both buntmetal and zinc."And aluminum, although these are even more rare (and unfortunately not in my collection). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avitas Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 As a side note to the badge I posted, the edges are very unique as they are almost serrated, but with rounded tips. It is like some coins that have an edge almost like a butter knife with many small crevasses in perfect symmetry. Can anyone explain this edging property? It is definitely not die-stamping marks, as this badge is cast, but the edges have this unique comb-like edges. I will try to post scans of this, but they are very tiny edges. Any ideas are welcome.Thanks,Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nan Su Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Here, my collection,Unmarked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nan Su Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 I believe the edging striations are from hand-finishing/filing. The early ones that I've been fortunate to handle were all very similar. All with Juncker mark, all very detailed. Some with leg cut-outs, some not. Juncker was a hold-over, high quality Imperial manufacture and their early quality was hard to beat. Things deteriorated as time/the war went on, but I still love their products. Many of the Imperial flight badges also show evidence of this hand-finishing. Sometimes buffed out more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avitas Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 I'd have to say Stogieman that the edges are not hand filing, they appear machine or cast made, they are far too deep of grooves and all equidistant. They are like the edge of a minted coin with the uneven edges, very precise, no way a human could make the edges. It appears some of the grooves have been filed down perhaps, but hte overall edges are not due to hand filing I would say. I will definitely have to post some new scans of the edges when I get back from my trip. Any further ideas after this new information?Thanks,Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avitas Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 It appears that my badge may be a copy (probably so) is a casting of Nan Su's badge, as the eagle's head and feet are identical to mine, but my reverse has a different pin and, as mentioned earlier, mine is peculiarly marked with the Luftwaffe code of "5". What do the edges of your badge look like Nan Su?Thanks,Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nan Su Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 my badge the edges are not Clear hand filing,It looks very neat glossy(edges)。my badge is zinc, No traces of wear friction,But as long time had a "zinc bubbling"。I think you badge is Copy this pattern,They compare the "Juncker 1st pattern?,lack of three-dimensional Oak leaf decoration , detailed clear eagle feather,Crafts simple, easy copy.Best regardsSu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nan Su Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Hinge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nan Su Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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