EK 1939 ? about L15 EK 1

[Jan Arne S]

Hi Guys !

I have this 2 EK 1 both marked L15 on pin back . Both are identified as reproduction , the so called "floch" EK 1 . If the same maker made these fakes , why did they botter to make two different iron senter , look at "date" 1939 . I have had these two crosses for several Years , but have never showed this compare on any Forum before .

Opinions are very welcome .

Jan Arne

PS ! Sorry ! Scans are made with my old scanner , and when I scanned again white background it get a blue tone on pics .

Edited May 22, 2005 by Jan Arne S

[Jan Arne S]

Back of the same two EK 1 L15 repro .

Jan Arne

[Jan Arne S]

1939 on left cross .

Jan Arne

[Jan Arne S]

1939 on right cross .

Jan Arne

[Guest Darrell]

Jan, definitely "textbook" Floch as identified. Why different Cores .. don't know. But he did use various Stamps as I once had an L11 EK1 just like yours on the right.

Edited May 22, 2005 by Darrell

[Tony]

No matter how often I look at these "Flochs" I still can't spot them. I think I'll have to buy one, it might be a different matter when I've got one in my hand. I can't even see a difference in the above cores.

Tony

[Guest Darrell]

Many have seen Peter Wiking's excellent group of pics that show the details of these Floch's ... here are two of them:

[Guest Darrell]

Pic 2

[Dave B]

The left cross in Jans first post is the "classic" Floch with the "loose" bottom to the 3,I must say the other cross has a good obverse.They all have the characteristic short Floch pin to the reverse.

They all have a low date as well,although some originals also have low dates eg. W?chtler & Lange EK's(mm 100 and L/55)

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Tony,I will try and get you a Floch.....I think you need to study one in the hand!

Dave

[Jan Arne S]

Thanks for inputs and comments !

The Right of the two EK Crosses has a different "1939" than I have seen on the "Floch" repro crosses .

Just what to say that I have not any interest in try to make a "Floch" EK 1 repro to a real EK 1 .

I have 29 original EK 1`s , so I just would like to show the difference on these two Crosses , but I`m not 100% sure that the right cross is a SC " Floch" cross .

Jan Arne

[Jan Arne S]

The Right of the Two Cross was also cased . And I beleive that the Case is a authentic one , even if the Cross can be doubtful .

Jan Arne

Edited May 31, 2005 by Jan Arne S

[Jan Arne S]

One more pics of case .

Jan Arne

[Dave B]

As you rightly say,the case is a good one :food-smiley-004:...a nice "D&B"

Dave

[Jan Arne S]

Thanks Dave !

I use the case to keep a L/13 EK 1 in .

Jan Arne

[CRBeery]

Here is a picture of a common flaw on Floch pieces. I noticed this a few years ago. If you look you can find this on EK1s, KVK1s and the L/14 Gold WB. NOTE: not all pieces have this flaw on the pin. It was corrected at some point but I did use it to tie the three fakes to the same maker. There is a slight indentation on the left side that I am trying to point to. Look at the other pictures and you will see it in most of them. Funny thing is that is seems to only appear on the left side. I have never found one otherwise.