frank1 Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 [attachmentid=58806][attachmentid=58807]heres the back off the #20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Hi Frank.Sorry to say this is a fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave B Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 Yes I'm afraid Darrell is right,the cross is a repro. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank1 Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 Hi Frank.Sorry to say this is a fake oh well you win some you lose some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe campbell Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 frank-it might be helpful for others to see the front of yourcross. unfortunately, even without seeing it, there area number of things that make it a reproduction.please feel free to post pictures of potential purchases,and look at the now thousands of pictures of iron crosseson this site.i'd be willing to bet that there is not one person on thissite who hasn't purchased a repro piece at some point....welcome aboard!joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave B Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Joe,a pic of the front is here mate http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=12310Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuRob Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Hello I noticed this ek on this site.http://www.ww2medalsbadgesandinsignia.com/...Medals-Singles-(scroll down to the bottom. Ek1'39 and bar on ribbon)It looks like Franks ek and I am thinking this too is a fake. I have a "20" EK1 and the stamp is on the inside of the pin and it looks nothing like the stamp "20" on this EK.It would be interesting to know if other members think/know that it is a fake?Regards Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuRob Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 Hello I noticed this ek on this site.http://www.ww2medalsbadgesandinsignia.com/...Medals-Singles-(scroll down to the bottom. Ek1'39 and bar on ribbon)It looks like Franks ek and I am thinking this too is a fake. I have a "20" EK1 and the stamp is on the inside of the pin and it looks nothing like the stamp "20" on this EK.It would be interesting to know if other members think/know that it is a fake?Regards Rob.....or indeed any other medals listed on this site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank1 Posted October 30, 2006 Author Share Posted October 30, 2006 Hello I noticed this ek on this site.http://www.ww2medalsbadgesandinsignia.com/...Medals-Singles-(scroll down to the bottom. Ek1'39 and bar on ribbon)It looks like Franks ek and I am thinking this too is a fake. I have a "20" EK1 and the stamp is on the inside of the pin and it looks nothing like the stamp "20" on this EK.It would be interesting to know if other members think/know that it is a fake?Regards Robdear robive noticed that same medal on the same website about a month agoits exactelly the same as mineany other comments about the other one check out the mentionned website that rob mentionedfrank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 HelloThe site that you have been looking at is operated by a Paul Waterworth. There is a rather long queue forming full of people he has ripped off, and all looking to 'have a chat' with him.Waterworth, and his wife Susan, are well known purveyors of fakes. If you look hard enough there are some genuine items in his stuff, but the bulk of what he sells is junk. He actually has the stuff made for him, and then artifically ages it. The man, his website, (incidentally he doesn't live in Blackpool. He lives in a place called Leigh between Manchester and Liverpool in the UK), and his goods should be avoided at all costs. Whatever you do, DO NOT deal with this person and do not buy anything from his website. He is a fraud. Most collectors here in the UK have heard of, or come across him at one time or another. Just ask around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuRob Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 HelloThe site that you have been looking at is operated by a Paul Waterworth. There is a rather long queue forming full of people he has ripped off, and all looking to 'have a chat' with him.Waterworth, and his wife Susan, are well known purveyors of fakes. If you look hard enough there are some genuine items in his stuff, but the bulk of what he sells is junk. He actually has the stuff made for him, and then artifically ages it. The man, his website, (incidentally he doesn't live in Blackpool. He lives in a place called Leigh between Manchester and Liverpool in the UK), and his goods should be avoided at all costs. Whatever you do, DO NOT deal with this person and do not buy anything from his website. He is a fraud. Most collectors here in the UK have heard of, or come across him at one time or another. Just ask around.Good one David Glad I spotted that, was liking the spanish russia medal! Dont think I will bother. Valuable info for all other new collectors who read this thread.Thanks Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuRob Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 David,Do you know of other purveyors of fakes to stay clear of? Much appreciatedRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorhead Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Rob,some dealers are good,some are bad but mistakes can always happen.The best thing to prevent buys like yours is to know how the originals have to look like,to know their characteristica,the "specials"....Create your own database,copy the good pics from the web and study them.Some books can also help,but what you need are pics,pics,pics....!Have a look at this EK section here-you will find the most 1939 EK1 with pretty good pictures,read the comments and don't hesitate to ask! And not to forget the database at the MCF.Micha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekhunter Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 [attachmentid=58806][attachmentid=58807]heres the back off the #20frank1, just noticed this thread, after responding to your other two. It pains me to see you, or anyone else get burned by fake crosses. We've all been there. Before you think about buying another one, post it, or pm me, or anyone else here, and I'm sure they would be more than glad to help you. Micha is right. If you go to MCF and look at the database to compare known originals, then this should help tremendously before your next purchase. Good Luck! Russel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Garvy Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I've gone on record a few times with the fact that the first two Iron Crosses I bought were Floch reproductions, and from the same dealer no less! Welcome to the club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve campbell Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I'm no expert but the maker's stamp gives it away. It is too big and not like the ones you see on original pieces. that is one giveaway right there. They never did a good job on it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Holmes ( Stomper ) Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Quite reassuring to new collectors to know there are people like you guys about to help . I hope to be one of those guys one day but until then i just get by and if need be always ask someone who knows when im not sure . Good work guys . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasia Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Hello The site that you have been looking at is operated by a Paul Waterworth. There is a rather long queue forming full of people he has ripped off, and all looking to 'have a chat' with him. Waterworth, and his wife Susan, are well known purveyors of fakes. If you look hard enough there are some genuine items in his stuff, but the bulk of what he sells is junk. He actually has the stuff made for him, and then artifically ages it. The man, his website, (incidentally he doesn't live in Blackpool. He lives in a place called Leigh between Manchester and Liverpool in the UK), and his goods should be avoided at all costs. Whatever you do, DO NOT deal with this person and do not buy anything from his website. He is a fraud. Most collectors here in the UK have heard of, or come across him at one time or another. Just ask around. Yes it is true, and you all be carefully with him, he is maritial scammer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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