EK 1939 my iron cross ek1

[frank1]

[attachmentid=58806][attachmentid=58807]heres the back off the #20

[Guest Darrell]

Hi Frank.

Sorry to say this is a fake

[Dave B]

Yes I'm afraid Darrell is right,the cross is a repro.

Dave

[frank1]

Hi Frank.

Sorry to say this is a fake

oh well you win some you lose some

[joe campbell]

frank-

it might be helpful for others to see the front of your

cross. unfortunately, even without seeing it, there are

a number of things that make it a reproduction.

please feel free to post pictures of potential purchases,

and look at the now thousands of pictures of iron crosses

on this site.

i'd be willing to bet that there is not one person on this

site who hasn't purchased a repro piece at some point....

welcome aboard!

joe

[Dave B]

Joe,a pic of the front is here mate http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=12310

Dave

[EuRob]

Hello

I noticed this ek on this site.

http://www.ww2medalsbadgesandinsignia.com/...Medals-Singles-

(scroll down to the bottom. Ek1'39 and bar on ribbon)

It looks like Franks ek and I am thinking this too is a fake. I have a "20" EK1 and the stamp is on the inside of the pin and it looks nothing like the stamp "20" on this EK.

It would be interesting to know if other members think/know that it is a fake?

Regards Rob

[EuRob]

Hello

I noticed this ek on this site.

http://www.ww2medalsbadgesandinsignia.com/...Medals-Singles-

(scroll down to the bottom. Ek1'39 and bar on ribbon)

It looks like Franks ek and I am thinking this too is a fake. I have a "20" EK1 and the stamp is on the inside of the pin and it looks nothing like the stamp "20" on this EK.

It would be interesting to know if other members think/know that it is a fake?

Regards Rob

.....or indeed any other medals listed on this site?

[frank1]

Hello

I noticed this ek on this site.

http://www.ww2medalsbadgesandinsignia.com/...Medals-Singles-

(scroll down to the bottom. Ek1'39 and bar on ribbon)

It looks like Franks ek and I am thinking this too is a fake. I have a "20" EK1 and the stamp is on the inside of the pin and it looks nothing like the stamp "20" on this EK.

It would be interesting to know if other members think/know that it is a fake?

Regards Rob

dear rob

ive noticed that same medal on the same website about a month ago

its exactelly the same as mine

any other comments about the other one check out the mentionned website that rob mentioned

frank 1

[DavidM]

Hello

The site that you have been looking at is operated by a Paul Waterworth. There is a rather long queue forming full of people he has ripped off, and all looking to 'have a chat' with him.

Waterworth, and his wife Susan, are well known purveyors of fakes. If you look hard enough there are some genuine items in his stuff, but the bulk of what he sells is junk. He actually has the stuff made for him, and then artifically ages it. The man, his website, (incidentally he doesn't live in Blackpool. He lives in a place called Leigh between Manchester and Liverpool in the UK), and his goods should be avoided at all costs.

Whatever you do, DO NOT deal with this person and do not buy anything from his website. He is a fraud. Most collectors here in the UK have heard of, or come across him at one time or another. Just ask around.

[EuRob]

Hello

The site that you have been looking at is operated by a Paul Waterworth. There is a rather long queue forming full of people he has ripped off, and all looking to 'have a chat' with him.

Waterworth, and his wife Susan, are well known purveyors of fakes. If you look hard enough there are some genuine items in his stuff, but the bulk of what he sells is junk. He actually has the stuff made for him, and then artifically ages it. The man, his website, (incidentally he doesn't live in Blackpool. He lives in a place called Leigh between Manchester and Liverpool in the UK), and his goods should be avoided at all costs.

Whatever you do, DO NOT deal with this person and do not buy anything from his website. He is a fraud. Most collectors here in the UK have heard of, or come across him at one time or another. Just ask around.

Good one David

Glad I spotted that, was liking the spanish russia medal! Dont think I will bother. Valuable info for all other new collectors who read this thread.

Thanks Rob

[EuRob]

David,

Do you know of other purveyors of fakes to stay clear of? Much appreciated

Rob

[Motorhead]

Rob,

some dealers are good,some are bad but mistakes can always happen.The best thing to prevent buys like yours is to know how the originals have to look like,to know their characteristica,the "specials"....Create your own database,copy the good pics from the web and study them.Some books can also help,but what you need are pics,pics,pics....!Have a look at this EK section here-you will find the most 1939 EK1 with pretty good pictures,read the comments and don't hesitate to ask! And not to forget the database at the MCF.

Micha

[ekhunter]

[attachmentid=58806][attachmentid=58807]heres the back off the #20

frank1, just noticed this thread, after responding to your other two. It pains me to see you, or anyone else get burned by fake crosses. We've all been there. Before you think about buying another one, post it, or pm me, or anyone else here, and I'm sure they would be more than glad to help you. Micha is right. If you go to MCF and look at the database to compare known originals, then this should help tremendously before your next purchase. Good Luck! Russel

[Bill Garvy]

I've gone on record a few times with the fact that the first two Iron Crosses I bought were Floch reproductions, and from the same dealer no less! Welcome to the club!

[Steve campbell]

I'm no expert but the maker's stamp gives it away. It is too big and not like the ones you see on original pieces. that is one giveaway right there. They never did a good job on it at all.

[Mark Holmes ( Stomper )]

Quite reassuring to new collectors to know there are people like you guys about to help . I hope to be one of those guys one day but until then i just get by and if need be always ask someone who knows when im not sure .

Good work guys .

[kasia]

Hello

The site that you have been looking at is operated by a Paul Waterworth. There is a rather long queue forming full of people he has ripped off, and all looking to 'have a chat' with him.

Waterworth, and his wife Susan, are well known purveyors of fakes. If you look hard enough there are some genuine items in his stuff, but the bulk of what he sells is junk. He actually has the stuff made for him, and then artifically ages it. The man, his website, (incidentally he doesn't live in Blackpool. He lives in a place called Leigh between Manchester and Liverpool in the UK), and his goods should be avoided at all costs.

Whatever you do, DO NOT deal with this person and do not buy anything from his website. He is a fraud. Most collectors here in the UK have heard of, or come across him at one time or another. Just ask around.

Yes it is true, and you all be carefully with him, he is maritial scammer!!!