Nick

Cheers Don Wonder where they came from Another Large Brooch

Reichsleitung

Gauleitung

One of the few bars without ruffles I have been 100% happy with.

Bit of a mix of Imperial, Weimar & Third Reich this one.

Another Assmann Eagle

I will start off with this interesting two part zinc backed Ortsfrauenschaftleiterin

My ever expanding collection of Frauenschaft Badges makes me think its time to start a few threads to try and seperate the bewildering varaitions in type, size and design. If we use this thread to start posting perhaps we can start to split them into seperate threads when necessary.

30 Year Anniversary of the Sudetenland Deutsche Jugendf?rsorge (German Youth Welfare Service)

If the criteria as set out by Eddie is correct it actually leads to an imbalance between the ambulance service, police and fire brigade. The QPM can only be issued for Meritorious Service, the criteria with regards beyond the call of duty in specific circumstances does not apply to the QPM since the gallantry aspect was nullified in 1977. I am pleased to see that it has been apparently included for the QASM lets hope that the same criteria is also considered for the Police and Fire brigade, as it is about time that both got their own specific awards back for services beyond the call of duty.

John Her is another for your comparison. I think this one is British made for pilots based in th e UK during WW2. This version is in bronze. I notice differences in the wings which may have some significance in the dating of the two pieces (later or earlier I could not say). As for value again pass. I paid ?25 for this one on a whim, as I wasn't really sure what it was at the time. Nick

Here is the other pin design courtesy of Helmut Weitze

I have seen many of these badges up for sale over the summer, which is never a good sign for a potentially scarce item. This has led me to steer clear of them because of a lack of knowledge over what is deemed original or fake. Interestingly David Littlejohn's new (and sadly last) book <i>Protecting the Reich </i> shows this version as being the 1st type of design for the DLB. He mentions the second design in Oct 1938 matched that of the RLB with no differences, but to tell you the truth it is not very clear in his book because he seems to be referring to the eagle and star design of the Amtsträger badge ? He also mentions the possibility of an Amtsträger badge with a Royal Blue background instead of the above white, but no version has so far been recorded ? Considering the DLB had 42,000 members in 1933 there is every likelyhood that this badge existed, but it would be nice to see a photograph of one in wear to confirm it, especially considering the rest of the DLB uniform was identical to the RLB.

I agree excellent work by the guys with their almost indecipherable rolls. It makes all the effort of translating endless data input really worthwhile!

I see Ed's point in that anyone new may have to potentially trawl through 94 pages of quiz before participating. A lot of time and bandwidth. Maybe it is time to split this by year and start a new thread each year and see if it continues ?

Welcome to Bryan (Soviet) the new Yugo Club Host. He was proposed by a number of members and other GMIC staff and I hope all members will support him in his new role. I thank him and wish him all the best in his new post. He has got a bit of work to do sorting out the forum, which has grown considerably over the last few months !

Bill Do you have photos of the plaque ?

Most Female Auxiliaries adopted the uniform of the service they were attached to, as James says this uniform seems to be very much RADwJ. I would like to see a close up of what she is wearing on her neck and the badge to the left of the lanyard. However other non military auxiliary branches may have also used this uniform as indicate by Eddie or she is RADwJ attached to another auxiliary service in Nurnberg.

I have received a number of complaints about the content of this topic and I have also been a little disturbed by the overt political propagandist nature of this thread. GMIC tries hard to be apolitical, although it is accepted at times the nature of human conflict is so intrinsically intertwined with politics it is sometimes hard, if not impossible to leave politics at the door, especially when discussing 20th Century history. However to hear such blatantly challenging comments as pushes the boundaries to the limit. Without a doubt Dzerzhinsky is a notable figure of the 20th Century and it is right that we acknowledge the 130th anniversary of his birth. But he falls along side many notable and notorious figures of the 20th Century, who should never be forgotten, but are clearly not acceptable subjects (in an international forum) for comments of hero worship nor should they be placed on a pedestal as a shining example to new generations. Dzerzhinsky is a figure of the past and has no place in a modern world. Such platitudes are not acceptable at GMIC especially with the track record of human rights abuses behind the organizations which Dzerzhinsky founded and represents. I can only think that your comments in relation to orphans was an attempt at dry wit, as I am sure Dzerzhinsky was both directly and indirectly responsible for making many Russian children orphans. I do not want this subject to turn into further political debate nor do I want to have to censor or delete any posts. This is just a reminder to all members as to what the acceptable boundaries are on political subjects within this forum

I am trying to find details of an incident where a German U Boat managed to slip the boom on the Clyde and entered Greenock harbour to lay mines. Can anyone help with this at all ?

My attention has been brought to this thread and I do feel that I need to make comment. A lot of statements have been made by a number of members, some of which purport to have great expertise in this area of collecting, including the knowledge behind the publication of a mystery 'bible' next year. However I cannot help feeling that there has been a lot of deliberate vagueness within this discussion and certainly no openness or transparency surrounding identities or credentials. Unfortunately as most of us know collecting can be a risky business, with many pitfalls and little scientific fact. We support our own learning based on the on the recognised knowledge and expertise of other collectors, who may have more experience within certain specialised areas. GMIC is about sharing knowledge, experience and information. To say wait for a book publication to support my statements is really not within the spirit of this forum. I have no idea whether any of the medals in this thread are real or fake and to tell you the truth as layman having read this thread I am still no clearer and have not really learnt anything either, which is proving a point. If medals are fake lets hear WHY YOU think or KNOW they are fake. A detailed analysis goes a long way to establishing some credibility. Of course some of the members hiding behind anonymous user names may already have a lot of credibility and credentials, after all this is a small community and some of you on this thread obviously know each other . So lets not be shy about things, I for one would like to know who is who on this thread and would like to be educated as to why some of the medals on this thread are fake. So lets make this worthwhile put the slanging match aside and get down to serious business.

Perhaps it would be best to name the source of the photo as a courtesy to the dealer i.e. Jamie Cross. I thought this subject had been discussed at length. See here for anyone who wishes to learn more: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=12999

Certainly a complicated issue which you have given a lot of though to.

I presume this pin was awarded either for promoting membership in the NSRKB or as indication that you were a membership promoter/representative ?? I hope it is good as despite the pin being off centre it feels right.

Here is the link: http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/saj-train-p1.php The U Tube vidoes are not as good and I think shows recruits in training. The above link shows them in a better light.