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Indeed, a very nice group, here in it's total:

If I remember correctly, it was me who told him this - or I told it anyone else who asked the same question, have no idea. We're talking about post1938, when Nazi Germany made Austria a part of Germany, and the imperial Austrian awards were worn like any other war awards of former German kingdoms und grand duchies ... Please, ccorrect me if I'm wrong on this.

The photo's taken on November 17th, 1918. (this is circa war end, isn't it?) - Preu?en, Verdienstkreuz f?r Kriegshilfe; - Preu?en, Kronenorden IV. Klasse; - Sachsen-Weimar, Verdienstorden vom wei?en Falken, Ritterkreuz II. Abteilung; - Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, Ovale Silberne Herzog Carl Eduard-Medaille; - S?chsische Herzogt?mer, S?chsisch-ernestinischer Hausorden, Ritterkreuz I. oder II. Kl. Pardon it's only in German, but it would take me much time to translate some of the names, and then some might even not unterstand what I actually meant.

What do you think about this elderly Gentleman with his dear old wife? He's wearing similar, but not exactly matching medals ... Note the white falcon, please!

Indeed nice done, but actually, he didn't: as it is a frack bar, the ribbon on the right has to be the "first" one, overlapping the one left of it. Don't forget this while fixing it ... PS: Any thoughts about my bar, please?

Hmm, so noone but only me thinks this is an older bar, from about 1900 or 1910? Well, it's always a question of feeling, maybe I felt wrong. As I have the same problem with a bar of mine, might you please give me as well some ideas? The first one is riped off completely , from the second one the ribbon still remains, so we can see clearly it has to be a "Erinnerungskreuz f?r freiwillige Krankenpflege 1870/71" from Baden (the ribbon's red looks much different to the similar ones from WWI). But the first one?! Something that outranks a home country, war award ... Any ideas, please?!

Did someone yet notice that the same man's 30 place "Miniaturkettchen", his German Cross in Silver and as well some of the awards in real size have been sold by Thies half a year ago? If not, please have a look at #238 and #239 in auction 30 ... @ Heiko: You've bought these as well, I hope? I'd bet you did ...

A really great and "sexy" bar, congratulations! Extreme rare combination, and also the "Spangenst?cke" much rarer than the awarded ones, Red Eagle medal as well as the Russian one ... Indeed the Ottoman is the last one, as it is a "Frackspange".

Best luck to all who want to reunite anything ...

Exactly? I'd think most likely a merit cross of the Baden Order of the Z?hringer Lion, silver gilt version. Exactly enough? But as far as I know, the cases for the merit crosses are the same as late ones for the knight crosses, and it's the only type I've seen more than once. There are maaaany different around for the knight crosses ...

I saw you buying the bar when it came up, and when I found the chain yesterday in the catalogue, and thought you'll buy it. In my humble opinion you should (or even might) buy the other orders too, even if they could(!) be from someone else, but I trust Thies and the former owner these are the genuine ones, so get them

Oh, nice to see something like this here as many(!) German children and youngsters are yet using something that looks like this, namely a indeed strange mixture of wrong German and even wronger English, yet unable to use even one of those languages right, incapable to recognize what they actually want to say ... My apologizes for beeing offtopic, too. Did I get it right that these are the pour le merits made by Steinhauer und L?ck in den 60s and 70s? I have also one of those, even chipped from wearing, or chipped by someone who wanted it to look worn.

And also wrong cross for sure, sold by someone who has much to do (or actually might be, who knows) our raritaetensammlerclub ...

Thanks, ich really do have understanding for this. I would never really expect this, but if something easier could be identified, I'd be grateful.

Gentlemen, I think you're right, Mr. RR made the point. Though the reverse is a little darker, it still is much to light blue for a Bavarian MVO, while Serbia seems to fit 100%. With the Bavarian cross on it, I couldn't think on anything else than Bavaria, my apologize for that.

Here now some own, and I hope, better pictures of the EK II - your opinions are welcome (or, to say better, needed )

Thank you Rick, that encourages me much. We'll keep it and wait, maybe someday we'll know more about it ... PS: It has been bought about five years ago, if I remember correctly, but I'm unaware when the one we got it from bought it ...

Also I got this one today, a (very common) Bavarian Military merit Cross 3rd class with swards, but in Austrian mounting, and on the (damn rare) peace time ribbon(!). Have they been awarded like this, as Prussian Red Eagle Orders with swords had been awarded to foreign officers on the "statutenmäßigen Band", or is it simply a wrong put together? BTW, the cross has a maker mark "WC" (for Weiss und Co.) in the ring, and also something similar on the swords (hard to read). I know they are often on the swords, but are the marks in the ring common?

A million thanks for these extreme fast answers It's exactly what I came to: the bar is typical 1930s construction, and seems impossible with this combination There are wholes in the EK ribbon, maybe there was also once mounted a 1897 oak leaves, or there used to be a 1939 bar to the 1914 EK II? I think I'll remove the two decorations as they neither belong there nor match. Are there yet any opinions to the EK II or are better pictures necessary? To me, it looks like a 1871 Wagner piece, but the ring is not the genuine one ...

And the reverse: Thanks in advance.

I just acquired this 2 place medal bar with an Iron Cross and a Prussian Kriegsdenkmünze, both for 1870. I have yet done my thoughts about this and came to a result, but I'd prefer to hear first what you think about it. Avers:

So most of you think "my" bar (indeed, it's my father's) is not genuine, right? Thanks though for your opinions. Well, I hope the next time it will be better ...

Couldn't they be worn together with and without swords, if they came from the same duchy? In Baden this was indeed possible. Or would he just have gotten the swords awarded?!

Thanks that far for your help, Gentlemean. Are there any more opinions about it?

And a detail of a so called "Spangenstück":