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Okay... Thanks guys... :violent: :violent: :violent: :violent: Very disappointing, but though interresting...

:violent: :violent: Belgium... damn, what a fool to miss the upper row. If the lower row omes up again, please PM me on this. PS: though, the 4th ribbon is a Bavarian long service award! Still not sure what the 2nd ribbon (on the lower row) is.

I don't know - possibly it is, yes. But the medal isn't mine anymore, sold years ago.

Ah okay, thanks.

Now I almost forgot to show the second row. I don't know what the first two awrds are - might one be from Belgium?!

It happens again and again and again... How does this ribbon bar look like? Right, a upper row of a two row set. Offered on eBay.de as two auctions. I was pretty sure to win both, but at auction's end another collector outbid me on the lower row. I contacted him, explained him they were a set and that I'd like to buy his, or that I'd sell mine to him, just not to split the group - the fool didn't even aswer... :speechless: :speechless:

The other side of the medal might have been more helpful. It's a Prussian masonic medal (at least I think so) and the ribbon (at least two) are the same as for "real" awards, but here have no connection - I used to have almost the same some years ago:

Back to topic "Felddienst-Auszeichnung". I'm still hoping for an answer to my question in Post #13 - Rick? In the meantime, I got a set of two more lapel bows with that ribbon. Am I mistaken or are 1870/71 buttons actually quite hard to find? Well, at least those with NC iron cross are... The set used to be three of the four awards with the Z?hringer missing (back to Ordenskanzlei, I guess) plus two bows and two clasps to the Baden medal, but the former possesor decided to keep the NC ribboned Iron Cross. Well, so the remains were at least not expensive. I see no reason for showing the yet several times shown rest so won't, as well as the Prussian KDM 1870/71. One bow on button, one on a pin:

Hmm, that's a relly nice photo - but what he's wearing between the Z?hringer L?we and the Austrian MVK3KD? There is something, isn't it?

With a China medal in steel he was not in China. With a GSA medal in steel, noone knows if he was there or wasn't. Komtur, are you sure that's the family's name? It may be his prename... Anyway, nice tuxedo bar.

Ah, interresting. No idea what he wears, that's why I asked. The ribbons are the same, the other awards are always almost the same (at any Baden 1870 bar) and both often come without an 1870 Iron Cross - so no way to tell when there isn't any shadow of either the griffin nor the grand duke's head. David, thanks again for your opinion on that issue. I hope the others don't mind we're quite offtopic with the "Ged?chtnismedaille 1849" in this thread. "excluding all other possibilities is never a conclusive methode in my opinion" - well, in mine it is, though it isn't the best one. There was no other state that did not hand out any other medals for the wars he fought in. That's just a weird fact we found with this bar. I never imagined it might be tracebale and would be confident with just being sure what he was - e.g. that he was a Kurhassian officer up to 1866, yet to young to receive a long service award, then changing to the Prussians. It works. =)

Merci again, Veteran. The one on the upper photo in wear shows another type, and I found that one now at "J. Nimmergut, Orden Europas" as pre 1910 grand cross star. So mine may be a commander star? Or just another type? The star at Nimmergut is a solid and brilliantated, while mine has single rays... No Portugal collectors here?!

Ah, by the way "Kurhessen" - in my small collection I have this nice medal bar. It is a 1849 and 1870/71 officer's bar and seems to be Prussian but does not have the Prussian Hohenzollern'sche Denkmünze that any Prussian got. A very educated collector from a German forum came to the clue it has to be a Kurhessen officer's bar as I is not a Prussian, not a Bavarian, not a Hesse -Darmstadt.: as any of those would have gotten an award by their own monarchs, just the Kurhessen did not get anything, neither for 1849 nor for 1866. After 1866 he served with and as a Prussian officer. What do you, as a expert for Kurhessen, think about this? Possible? Anything else makes no sense... PS: If anyones wonders about the additional EK ribbon on the back: when I bough the bar there were no oaks on the ribbon and a 1914 EK on the bar. I replaced the right one and added the oaks (there were holes in the ribbon). But the original ribbon was sewn onto the EK and I didn't want to remove something that was there for 100 years.

The 1849 medal given to foreign troops? Nooooo. From what I know the Felddienst-Auszeichnung was ONLY given to Badeners. The medal given for 1849 to the aid troops from Prussia, Bavaria, Hassia, Churhassia was that one - not rare at all (the Felddienst-Auszeichnung with "1849." clasp is). A bit harder to find is the original ribbon - yellow with silver stripes as the Baden House order of Fidelity has. The lose medal itself is pretty common, I guess you can buy one every week on eBay.de: ;)

Mike, on the set from #3 and #4 you wrote "Next one. A Reuss serving guy with matching ribbon bars that have a KVK that was not added to the original bar". And that one is not in any way Reuss relatet. Anyway, nice bars as I said before. :beer:

No, that's not right. How can anyone claim so? We don't know how the complete, cased Godet medal bar would have ended, noone will ever know how it as it cannot ever be auctioned. It would have made an insane price, I'm sure. I wonder why the crazy bidder stopped after the first six auction. It seems he ran out of money or his computer got down. I'm pretty sure he looked at the things "live" as he's from Frankfurt as the seller is, and I guess he wanted to buy them all. :speechless:

Thanks, really nice stuff, especially the one shown by Wild Card, even if not his. Ulsterman, do you know what that's in 1st place on the medal bar on the photo? Is that a silver merit medal on MCF ribbon or is it a real Military Carl Friedrich Medal... ? Any opinions on my bow from #13? That thing makes me crazy... Keep them coming - still waiting for more of the older stuff.

btt... Ricky, why so silent? I guess it was the clue, wasn't it? If it wasn't you may even try it with Baden's "Erinnerungszeichen f?r 1906"... :sleep:

Some really nice bars, any of those - but the one in #3 and #4 is not Reuss but Lippe-Detmold... ;)

This is a very, very sad story - I saw that, too. He did not do it for the profit as he is bloody unaware. I think he just didn't realize that he's destroying - he even destroyed his wallet, I'm pretty sure the bar would have made far more money than the remains will do. Is here anyone who is willing to bid seriously on all awards to restore the bar? If so I won't bid, but I think that noone can do that and that I'll buy one of the orders. It's sad, but it happened.

I looked it up at Zeige's price guide for Europe's orders and found that he lists several different stars for the pre 1910 modell. Mine has to be the elderly type (Christus cross), not the later Maltese cross decoration. So now: is it the breast star for the grand cross or is it the commander's cross' star?! :catjava:

Thanks Veteran, of course you've been of help yet. I wasn't sure if this is the royal type, so this is cleared now. I added a picture of the maker mark - the star's made in Lisboa - so a rather late, not an earlier, French made one. Additionally, I addet a photo of a star in wear on a Bavarian officer - that looks much different!

I saw that one before and considered buying it. I thought it was (at least: may be) good... "Stupid fakers" vs. "I wear what and how I want elderly stubborn NCOs" seems always to be a hard battle too me. 100% sure those don't work and are bad? Or is it the sewing? I appreciate thee opinions, but am still not convinced for 101%... By the way, it's: - Baden, Regierungsjubil?umsmedaille 1902; - Baden, Kriegsverdienstkreuz; - Baden, Verdienstmedaille or Preu?en, Erinnerungsmedaille 1897; - Preu?en, Kriegsdenkm?nze 1870/71 in Stahl am Band f?r Nichtcombattanten or 1934/35 Ehrenkreuz f?r Hinterbliebene; - Baden, Milit?r-Dienstauszeichnung. If it supposes a bar from about 1915/16 it cannot be the 1934 Ehrenkreuz, so had to be the 1870 medal (and therefore the yellow ribbon the Prussian medal) - the ones that worried me most. Baden precedence didn't bother any old NCO.. :banger:

The reverse, with big maker's mark:

I acquired this well worn and slightly damaged, but still nice breast star some months ago. As my main area are imperial German awards and I don't have too much books on other European awards, I still don't know for sure what grade and era from this star is. The designs seem to have been changed in 1910 but from my books, I don't get much information on it. So, could please someone tell me if this is a pre or post 1910 star and what class it is? Thanks in advance. :beer: