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Oooooh, a Karlsruher. And a nice evidence for the Flandern cross being worn by anyone, not only navy - or is this a navy guy who was an FAR 14 and in France ???

Nope, there are three types: one reads "Treu dem Regiment", one reads "Treu dem Bataillon" and the third one is the navy version with "Treu der Marine" and: this is just the second one I've seen without swords ... What reads the averse? I sold dozens of those but still don't know much about these ...

Hmm, may be "Baden, Erinnerungskreuz f?r freiwillige Kriegshilfe" ?!

Thanks Dave, that "some" great infomation on von Beck ... Yes, this is indeed proper as long as one decoration has swords and the other one doesn't have. Even if both were the same grade, this fits. These here aren't actually the same grades as it's a commander's cross Ist class (without swords) and a commander's cross IInd class with swords. Oakleaves - von Beck has none - would not matter in this issue, as they are just a higher grade than without. Any combination of Z?hringer with and without swords might be possible - and I love medal bars with both ... Edit: But actually, we're offtopic with this in the Karl Friedrich thread ...

Have all Godet bars this = catch? I've got a very nice little bar with the typical grey and typical sewing, but with another catch ... Edit: Here pictures of mine ...

Feldwebelleutnant sounds like the highest NCO rank, and those were awarded the Z?hringer merit cross an the ribbon of the Karl Friedrich merit order. The order itself was a officer's only ...

Oh yes, that's it. I knew I know the ribbon. The bar is post 1938, and so the Austrian is in third position, hmm?!

Actually, I like the bar and have a good feeling - there's to much strange and wrong for a fake ... What please is the medal on 10th position? The last one is from Persia, isn't it? A great bar, if it is fine ...

I'd guess it is an early WWI piece from 1914 to 1915 era - a very nice one. =)

Thanks Werner, I think it is not a match to your medal bar. Your medal bar is post 1934, and why should he not wear his Oldenburger any longer? But they're thaaaat similar, veeeeery strange indeed ... Do you have ALL known mounted medals?

Now that's actually "almost" the clue: the awarded ones were not maker marked, none of those. There exist, of course, many private purchase pieces from 1870s to at least WWI era, but those usually are looking other than those, which are frequently offered on Ebay by persons I wouldn't buy anything from ... These fakes were raised by a German collector on a German Forum. I thougt I had some comparison pictures but cannot find these at the moment. If some else please might help?! Sorry again, but it isn't my fault - if I'm right at all ...

And poor dante. The Iron Cross is a modern fake using an old frame with a faked core, in my humble opinion ...

Some more pictures:

I found the .... FAKE BAR of the WEEK !!! Don't miss this greaaaat bar ...

I don't know, it m a y be. Only 556 of the Z?hringer crosses were given out on the Karl Friedrich ribbon ... Rick, have you seen the device on the ribbon, which is actually for the ribbon bar? I'll scann you some of them soon, if you need them for your ribbon bar article ...

Dante, could you please show a bigger picture of the Iron Cross 1870? I'm not sure if I like what I see ...

Well, that's how the youth is ... I've got numbers for all modells, but not for the last one. Volle gives as well just the "120 manufactured". I think most of them were actually awarded, let's guess about 100 ...

"alway show the back" ...

It looks funny how those Red Cross medals sandwich something else ... [a little bar from my father's small collection, by the way has never been shown anywhere by now ]

Noooooooooo Rick, I want to see a laaarge ribbon bar, with at least eight to twelve awards! I think here matches a Republik type best as this is the only one which comes on a normal ring. Hang a normal Baden Merit Medal in it and look, where it hangs ... Unlikely they didn't change the hook for it to match better ...

Presumably, yes ... I've got no idea, but I guess Werner Nickel knows it, the bar's in his collection. The strange thing is that the combination of my ribbon bars and of Hauptmann grone are ALMOST the same, the only differnce is the Oldenburger and may be the Austrian - if we leave the peace time orders out of the ribbon bar - which was not to incommon in World War I.

Ah, now I see what you meant. This may be, yes. Thanks for your input. It's back reads big "19 05", so it is the ... 1911 issue, isn't it?

Rick has (at least) one, I've got two which belong together. I cannot remember any more, but there are many bars with green ribbon and "you'll never know it" ... This one is from Werner Nickel's collection, shown on the top of Nimmergut's opus magnum part V: The bar of Hauptmann von Grone (I hope I may show it here?!):

Sure this was done, but in this case: NO! It is a WW II bar, from a time when "we" still thought and hoped to win, and noone was allowed to say (or think) something else ...

Are you certain? I'd prefer Third Reich Feuerwehr-Ehrenzeichen, and the last might be Liyakat, OR might be Bavarian jubilee medal ... This is in my humble opinion definitely not a ribbon for Ottoman war medal ...