Claudius

Gentlemen; Thank you all for your comments. I second guessed myself when I called the LHO ribbon the LMMMwS. I just couldn't understand how someone could make the mistake and put a house order (w/sword device) in third position behind the LC. Rick's blind great-grandmother is a good reason, but I'm speculating that as a post-WWI field bar, the "royal Lippe family" award was kicked down the pecking order in favor of the State of Lippe award. Kind of showing more allegiance to his STATE, than to his ruling family. Just a guess... Nonetheless, I really like the bar. (And let me rephrase what I said earlier...when I wrote "reposition" I didn't mean I was going to "re-order" the ribbons. I only meant that I was going to nudge them together so that the ribbons touch and hide the bar beneath.) I understand that the other medals are not uncommon enough to make an easy ID, but with the LHO list nearly ready for publishing, can the gnomes put together a top "hopefuls", list? Rick mentioned the OK rolls. Are the OK in existence that could even be compiled?

Ahhhhh, thank you Iver. so, post-WWI. Great to finally know.

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Here is a little Lippe fieldbar. I haven't tried repositioning the ribbons yet. I have recently learned that the crossed swords on (what appears to be) the Lippe House Order ribbon is in fact the Lippe Military Merit Medal (wS). The ribbons look very similar. That would also explain its position behind the Lippe War Cross, otherwise a LHO4wS would certainly outrank a Lippe MMM. I understand the LHO on a fieldbar would have a wreath device(?). I have not seen one. Does anyone have an example to show... I think it?s a good bar, but I have not put a black light to the threads on the back. Does anyone think I need to? Rick Research: It goes without saying, you can add this bar, and the devices to you growing data base of devices.

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I was rummaging around some old things and found these buttons. I purchased them with a photo many moons ago at a flea market just outside Budapest. Now, if only I could find that large 9x11 photo. Anyway, enjoy and any observations or insights you have are welcome.

Thank you Claudio for showing the bar and for the education. I always like seeing the pieces, but really like to know what to look for, and why this is interesting.

WOW. That bar! With the Brabant in first place no less! No wonder why you want to identify him. I think we would all like to get our hands on that bar. I can't make out #3, is that supose to be the Bav. St. Michael? And #6, is that a Russian St. Anne's?

...and that case is ridiculously big for the badge inside. It's not a very efficient use of space. If this was the Hope diamond I could understand the huge expanse of negative space around it, but this is for "just" a pilot badge. With cases for ALL imperial era pieces, would they be from any country like Germany, France, England, etc., the item inside typically uses the space inside uniformly. It has a more pleasing look to the piece inside and does not distract from it. Can anyone else comment on this? Does anyone know of an example where this principal is not enforced?

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Kudos indeed. I'm glad you could re-unite those elements. I'm sure they will look great together! As for the price you had to pay. Don't blame me, I wasn't bidding against you. I was off chasing roses...

Great Bar! Quality piece. I hope it can be identified. It looks like this gentleman had interesting career and I would like to know who he was. I like the back side view as well!

Sooooo Stogieman.....do you have any Navy pilot or observer badges? :jumping:

Hello Avsar Ibar; Thank you for the warning. Are there any key clues in identifying fake Osmanies? What can you tell us about known qualities found on these fakes. Regards, Claudius

and the ?M3K, shouldn't that have a wreath device on the ribbon bar? Amen regarding those Hesse ribbons. The ribbon on my 5-medal bar is also severely faded. The bar: :love:

:o Is that the only thing you're asking about??? What is that tiny, white maltase cross below that formidable medal bar, about WNW of the circled breast badge?

I just so happen to have a copy of "For Valour"...two copies actually, one is for sale and... <<<just get on with it Claudius, nevermind the sales speech>>> Ahhh...no. Dobbelin is NOT listed in the alphabetical index. Sorry. He may have been in SWA, but he didn't get an EK1, EKII or wound badge in that theater. The photo is blurry. Is the date on the veteran pin 1894? One guess is that he served his time before the war in SWA and came back to fight WWI in Europe. Or as you suggest, someone pinned that on from a completely separate source to hide the swastika. tampering with history. Perhaps Dobbelin went to SWA and this is his veterans pin, but this isn't his bar. But yes, until proven otherwise keep it as it is. It's still a swell bar.

I'm lost here. Are the catalogue numbers above the 2006 A-T catalogue?, because they don't seem to correspond to the 4/2009 catalogue.

Hello Claudio; Yes, I agree it is sad when the charm of the old buildings is lost. It makes one appreciate what remains even more. Thank you for the photo. It looks like it was a beautiful day when you took it. I hope I can visit the city again. I understand the interest to rebuild these old buildings had accelerated since Re-Unification. I was in Berlin when there was a fa?ade of the Stadtschloss for display. I would love to see what they have done since in the former East Berlin area. It is painful to see how much was lost. The destruction of war, the lives lost and torn apart is appalling. It is because of it that my own wife can't quite understand my collecting interest. Even after explaining, it seems to her to be at best, a morbid fascination or at worst, latent jingoism. By birth I am a child of the Allied forces. When I travel abroad I am frequently called upon to account for my country?s actions in past conflicts. I'm asked, What did they teach me in elementary school about these wars and the people America fought against? I?m fine with the questions. I?m always glad to answer them the best I can. Most are surprised that we don't consider our victorious wars as glorious, or our generals as heroes. Instead, the ordinary soldier is honored on Veteran?s Day as someone that does his duty for his country. With the advent of Total War in the 20th century, the Pandora?s Box of horrors can seldom be held back. For our own past, America learned much about this progression during our own 1861-65 Civil War. A war, that taught many things. Not the least of these was, once it was unavoidable if the war would have been prosecuted earlier without ineptitude it would not have lasted four years and ultimately hundreds of thousands of lives. When an end could finally be grasped, it was only through harsh generals and harsher methods. Even today, there are those that can absolve the ?The War of Northern Aggression?(aka US Civil War), but they can?t forgive General William Tecumseh Sherman?s ?March to the Sea? and his burning of Atlanta, Georgia. His war philosophy, and I quote. ?War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.? Was it necessary to drop two atomic bombs on Japan? Did Hamburg have to be fire bombed? Was it necessary to use these weapons to stop this conflict? The Allies' opponents had already shown us; Pearl Harbor, the Rape of Nanking, London Terror bombing, and the genocide of Europe?s outcasts. These too were terrible events. What panacea would be considered too strong to end this war sooner? In WWII when the great governments fought, each with their hands around the other?s throat, trying to throttle the other, could the Allies have loosened their grip just as the Axis were failing? Of all the superlatives that come out during a war, ?self-restraint? is not among them. It is another reason why war should be avoided. Not in fear of what your enemy will do to you, but because in fear of what YOU (myself) will do to another human being. It is a brutalism that has to be retarded if there is to be a hope of being considered an enlightened culture. Kind Regards, Claudius

Don't forget the buyer's premium....more like 9800E. So don't worry, I won't be bidding against you. Last time I was in Dresden, I had a backpack on my back and the Frauenkirche was still mostly a pile of rocks, but the Zwinger was underway. How is the terrace now days?

I think Flak88 needs to speak up here...he is the one touting that his bar belonged to J?rgen Schmidt. Why, I don't know. However, at face value I believed him and all I wanted to do was take the 5 battle bar combination and find the unit the general was in and maybe some other details.

Spot on Ulsterman. I was trying to learn the General's unit for Flak88. Since then he put the bar up for sale. I looked in my copy of F-P War EK winner's book for J?rgen Schmidt but I couldn't find him. It sounds like you know the general's bio and can "flesh out" the details?

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Very nice. You are right, the patina is wonderful.

Greetings: Battle bars; Spichern, Beaune-La Rolande, Gravelotte - St. Privat, Beaumont, Sedan Thank you,