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Here's my L?beck for this collection of medal bars. It's very nicely done. The EK2, L?beck and Hindenburg are all tied down. And with the Wurt. GMMM I'm hoping this is traceable. I would like to know who this gentleman was.

David; See my PM! Cutting that list down.

I agree with Haynau. BUY IT. Nobody can perfectly explain why they would buy the bar, but most of us feel that we would buy it -if we were presented with it.

Here is a bar with some bars....

Here is a "mechanical" translation of the text: House medal House medals have a long tradition in the house Saxonia Coburg and Gotha. The today's "Saxonia Coburg and Gotha' house medals" go on the "medal of German probity" out of the year 1689 (other sources: 1690) back. The "medal of German probity" was created by duke Friedrich I. of Saxonia Gotha in memories to his father, duke Ernst the pious one. This medal is considered as the first German lay knight medal (see Nimmergut, Joerg, German medals and decorations until 1945, S. 1369, 1999) (isolated it is called even "first German medal", see castle, Paul, the medal of German probity, Leipzig 1921). The foreign exchange of the medal was at that time already "Fideliter et Constanter" (faithfully and steady). It is also today still the foreign exchange of the house. Successor of the medal of German probity was the Saxonia Sachsen-Ernestini house medal. This medal was again donated to 1833 of the dukes Bernhard Erich friend of Saxonia Meiningen and Ernst I. of Saxonia Coburg and Gotha as well as hereditary prince Joseph von Sachsen-Altenburg as "Herzoglich of Saxonia Sachsen-Ernestini house medals". He tied to the past principles and maintained also the medal foreign exchange "Fideliter et Constanter". The "medal of German probity" was already conceived as a "honour honor of the Fuerstlichen of members of our house and at the same time as public acknowledgment of earnings/services". Also the Saxonia Sachsen-Ernestini house medal was an honor for "state servants and Unterthanen, those with German probity, by excellent Thaten, special loyalty and devoted devotion excellent requirements on the attention and gratitude of the state acquired itself" (from the preamble of the statutes of 1833). The medal originally consisted of four classes (conditions 1833): Large cross Comthure 1. Class Comthure 2. Class knight beside it existed still another decoration with the stages "Distinguished Service Cross" and "earnings/service medal", affiliertes with the medal. With the award of the large cross to not-noble persons the acquisition of all rights of the birth aristocracy was connected. The number of medal awards was limited by the statues. Beside the princes of the houses involved maximally 9 further large crosses could be lent after the statutes of 1833. The other 3 stages were on altogether 12, 18 and/or. 36 awards limits. Starting from 1864 the restrictions became on 12 large crosses, 15 Comthure 1. Class, 24 Comthure 2. Class and 48 knights increase. The number of the Distinguished Service Crosses and medals was unrestricted. 1864 was introduced also further classes, so that starting from this year the following partitioning existed: Large cross Comthure 1. Class Comthure 2. Class knight 1. Class knight 2. Class as well as Distinguished Service Cross earnings/service medal in gold earnings/service medal in silver the Saxonia Sachsen-Ernestini house medal was lent to 1935 and represented one of the most outstanding earnings/service honors (see Illing, Fritz, Orden and Ehrenzeichen of the states of Thuringia 1590-1935, S. 19) Constructing on the extinct Saxonia Sachsen-Ernestini house medal now in the year 2006 by prince Andreas, Saxonia Coburg and Gotha, the Herzoglich Saxonia Coburg and Gotha' house medals were donated to the head of the house. Also with this medal outstanding earnings/services are appreciated around public interest and the house Saxonia Coburg and Gotha. Following the historical models the medal consists today of the following classes: Large cross Comthurkreuz knight cross as well as decoration that affiliiertes with the house medal Distinguished Service Cross The medal chancellor Dr. Otmar joining man

Agreed! Wonderful bars. Earlier I meant that it hurt not to have them in person to examine. No different with these last two submissions. Nice ones. Any other beauties WNickel, (perhaps from other states?)

That hurts....that really hurts. Seeing all these St. Henry's on bars.... Very nice and my compliments.

Wow. I would like to see some good color photos of that bar!

NICE!

Do'H! I meant Bremen Oldenburg. Thanks dond.

Nice Bars! I especially like the lubeck and hessian one. Please show the backs as well...

close-up back

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Sorry about that. Used a different computer that wouldn't let me save as a normal attachment. Here they are...front

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Hello all; This is the first medal bar. At the time, I had no idea how uncommon it was. Not the medals, however. The medals are somewhat common. What makes this a favorite five of mine is the combination and the maker stamp on the back. While a cloth maker tag is uncommon and nice to find, this one is an ink stamp. A close up is included, but even in person the lettering is becoming hard to read. But on the fourth line I can just make out the city of "Koblenz". I think the combination of medals is interesting because this gentleman was eligible to receive the Centennial medal in 1897, stayed alive through WWI and earn an EK2, and Hessian equivalent and was around in 1934 to get the Hindenburg cross. A non-com.???? Brian_sCollection025_jpg.htm

That is very interesting that "flaw" you found on all prussian cliche' badges. When I get home I will need to look at that a little closer.

back side...

this is the close up of the square mark...

photo of square mark

photos...

Sorry about the delay in adding all my photos Imperial Quest: Great detective work there! Thanks for your insights. Brian_sCollection035_jpg.htm Brian_sCollection037_jpg.htm Brian_sCollection038_jpg.htm Brian_sCollection039_jpg.htm Brian_sCollection036_jpg.htm

Tale of two clich?s; At long last, here are photos of two cliche badges I own. They are examples of two different construction types, probably made years apart from each other. After an immediate glace, someone might guess that the one on the right is a fake, however the providence on each is very, very good. I owned the left one for twelve years and was owned 15 years prior by another collector. For the price that was paid at that time, it wouldn't have been worthwhile to fake. The right one, I purchased ten years ago along with other items from a hate belt. To this day, it was a hate belt that had the most "stuff" on it that I have ever seen before or since. I have photos (film) of what it looked like before it was entirely disassembled. (The subject of preserving or disassembling the belt was not a choice given to me, my only choice was if I wanted to buy certain items.) I even bought the old, decaying belt that badge was affixed to. The badge grooved and marred the leather in a way that only time can. This badge must be a late war product. And from the number and variety of items that were on the hate belt, I would guess that the Allied soldier that created it was a POW guard and "picked" the stuff off the guys as they rolled in. But that, of course, is just a guess. Someday I will have to scan those old film photos and show them in the appropriate thread. Again the price paid for this badge would preclude any profit from producing a fake. The finely made badge on the left has the square mm or silver mark that this thread was all about. With this, and the evidence of the fine Bav. badge having this mark as well on a high quality piece that looks every bit like silver or silver-plate, I am of the opinion that the make is type of silver mark. In any event. Please enjoy the photos of the badges.

No one else piped in, so I will. I would make the repair...nice enough not to be distracting, but poor enough to be detectable as a later repair and not a period-era repair. But that's my opinion -in this case. I seldon advocate making "repairs" to medals or bars. But to make a reversible repair to a medal with this kind of trauma I think is understandable. But I'm sure there are other opinions that are worthy of consideration.