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Badges Galore!
Chris Boonzaier replied to Ralph A's topic in Great Britain: Militaria: Badges, Uniforms & Equipment
Does anyone have a set off officers collar badges of the York and Lancaster regiment to show? Thanks Chris -
Have stayed a couple times in the tiny village of Aprememont.... This little goodie is about as big as an EK.... "Apremont - Aus Schwerer Zeit" 1914-1915.... I guess it is REAL trenchart, or at least in the rear area, not some postwar stuff... anyone see which medal was used to style it on? Must have been a real labour of love....
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So, was heisst...?
Chris Boonzaier replied to IrishGunner's topic in Deutsche Kaiserreich: Man spricht Denglish
Klaro, nach seiner Verwundung und laz. aufenthalt, zum Genesenden Batterie.... -
Maybe this is more complicated than at first glance.... It seems to break down into 4 "types", from one extreme to another 1) Type 1, British, The award is the fact that the award was approved, AND you get an official medal with your name (for the most part). I think the gazetting is not part of the Process. 2) Type 2, 1870, The award is the fact that it was approved, and a returnable medal was given. 3) Type 3 1914, the award is the fact that the award was made, and you have probably get a medal. (I have one group to a guy who got an "iron Cross" but did not get the cross itself, as the Division had run out. So he was an EK winner from 1918 onwards, but only got the Medal in 1934. 4) Type 4, French, The award is the fact that your award was approved, and you have to buy the corresponding medal
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My point is, unlike in the British system, where the Medal itself is considered important enough that replacements actually be marked as such, in the german system the award seems to be simply a "FACT".... Your award is made almost like an "E-Award"..... and the medal itself is just a visable symbol, but you can buy as many as you want, on the document is simply a paper confirming that you have the award. I dont think the Besitzzeugnis makes the award official... the general signing off on the award makes it official.... the Document is just a confirmation that the General had Authorised/confirmed it.... of course, for the soldier the medal itself was "the award"... but in fact it is simply a replacable symbol. If we jump back a generation though... in 1870, when an iron Cross was to returned to the state, my argument falls through... there you have the approval, and an object that is officially the award....
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I disagree... The British get one medal, period. And once they have it in their hand, its theirs... it IS their award. Although not all are named, the fact that (if I remember correctly) if you apply for a replacement, it is stamped as such, seems to indicate that the replacement is NOT your award... you lost the real one..
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Indeed... but not every tomato is a tomato... I would prefer Gingers tomatoes to Freds.... "award document" is maybe the easiest, as it documents the fact that an award was in fact made... I have also often heard the argument that unlike with British medals, in germany the document "was the award"... which is false. I admit to having used that before as well, the document is the most important thing (that I agree with ;-) ) , but the award was just a "thing" that you could buy at a tailor (unlike with British awards)... but the argument that the document was in fact the award hold no water when initially so many awards were made without documents....