And I agree whole-heartedly with respects to some documentation that this type of badge would appear to be authentic. bearing that in mind, I am then forced to evaluate the badge with what I know about Zimbler. Wrong rivets, wrong mark. I take no pleasure in this in anyway. Having lost thousands once upon a time on these, I wave the flag loudly to try and keep others from making the same errors. So I'm eating crow, I can easily accept the badge as an authentic variation. My hope is that Les didn't pay a pile for the badge. If Les can accept the position that the badge isn't the one in the photo, it leaves him in an odd and curious position....... If it was me, no way I could return the group as we have proof-positive of the existance of the variation pre-1918......... but I'd sure be breathing down the neck of the guy/gal who sold it saying something about it......... But hey, that's me. I'm like that.