ekhunter

Good point Dave! I concur. The wartime crosses were manufactured for at least a 5 year period, and as we all know, things change. I think several manufacturers changed their cores over the years for one reason or another. AWS, for one, used different cores over the years. Why, I don't think anybody really knows the exact answer to that one. One can look at a WWII cross and usually at a glance, say it was this manufacturer, or that one. The Imperial Crosses are just a little harder. These variances, however so slight sometimes, is why the Imperial crosses are so unique, and in my honest opinion, are much more fun to collect.

I would venture to say not issue, probably a little later, like the 90's, that's 1990's. Could be a little later than that.

Whoa Nellie! That was a big fuzzy file. Eyes still hurting. What an incredible group of I.C.'s for sale. Beautiful Imperial medals. This was the same type of case for a second class that was in Privetera's book. I wonder if it was the same one, and if the cross was marked? I've never seen (in person) a Rothe & Neffe cross. It has long been my belief that they may have made cases for I.C.'s or something to that extent for I.C.'s. I hope others that may know something more chime in. The hunt for a Rothe & Neffe has been like the hunt for the Holy Grail for me. I hope they exist, but I have my doubts, I would love to see a "cross" from Rothe & Neffe. Maybe that was one! The hunt continues! Thanks a ton, Tim.

I'm still looking for proof of any I.C. made by Rothe! If you know of one, please let me know.

Nice grouping Mike! That's the most round pins I've seen together. It's like visiting a museum today. I knew of the round or needle pins on the AWS crosses, but these other two, Sweet! I'm a little bit confused here though, Was Micha trying to say that he only knew of one round pin maker on one piece items, or only one maker that made round pins? If the latter is the case, then Mike deep sixed that theory, and the so called Godet example shown earlier appears to be a three piece, at least from the photo, so a little clarification would be nice. Thanks, Russel.

I agree with you on that one. However whoever is doing this is obviously trying to get a premium for an average cross at best, if real.

Stogieman, no disrespect meant, and maybe it's just me, but if someone takes a cross from another manufacturer, and tries to enhance it with a "mark" from a different manufacturer, then that cross to me is a sham. Maybe I'm anal about it, but that's just me. This cross is being passed off as a Godet, and I don't think it is. IMO--Sham job.

As far as the core is concerned, it's IMO that this is not a Godet core. The caps of the "W" look too thin, and take a look at the jewels on the bottom of the crown, I don't think this is Godet core. I think someone is making these somewhere now. Just my opinion, I would pass on this one if given the chance. Maybe my loss, but better safe than sorry. Just don't like it!

This is a new one for me. Hopefully, someone can I.D. it accurately for you. Great detail, if it is legit, it's a very, very, rare bird.

Claudio, the beading is between the outer rim and the core. The raised ribbed part. Yes, it does appear to have die flaws, which is the solid lines between or on top of the ribs. Don't worry, no big deal. I looked at one of mine before I headed to the beach and it looks the same. I'll post it when I get back next week. Great cross, and like I said probably between 1820 something and 1840. I would consider this a period piece compared to an issue piece, and I would get every one of them made during this period that I could..

Claudio, Prinzen crosses are greatly over rated. Not much value to them. Therefore, if you would ever be interested in moving these, I will be more than welcome to take them off your hands. Seriously, I love Prinzen crosses! That is a nice pair you have there. The offer still stands though.

I like it! Nice typical Deschler pin with a nice deep L/10 stamp to this one. You gotta like this one!

Nice! The wide flange 2nd's were said to be as early as the late 20's. Anywhere in that range is a safe bet. Note: That the oakleaves and date are similiar to "Zook's Posting", however, his rim doesn't appear to be as wide.

If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, well, you know the rest. I see no one commented on the 1870. Both of these crosses are bad. The bad Junkers wanna be has been around for a while. Rears it's ugly head ever so often.

Thought I had it, fixing to rattle off a DRGM #, but noticed the 9's were a little different. Now I'm really curious!

Sorry Dave either I did not recieve it, or I acccidently deleted it while deleting a hundred others. If it isn't too inconvenient, could you please send me another. Thanks, Russel

Sorry, scanned photos of Spange's and I tried to attach photos. Didn't happen, sent e-mail to Moderator to clarify situation. Will try to post later!

Mike, I don't have my Iron Time book with me, but I think the crosses that you refer to were cased screwbacks. However, no reverse photos are shown. Micha and I have discussed in PM's in the past about the Rothe and Neffe's. Neither he nor I have seen one. I've seen AWS' and Meybauers' called Rothe & Neffe's. If anybody has one, or one that they think may be a Rothe & Neffe, then please post it. I hope they do exist, I've just never seen one, ever. You would think on all of the military forums that are out there, that some collector somewhere would have shown one. Like I said earlier, nice cross, unique pin, but a Rothe & Neffe?

I thought that the cross that Previtera called a Rothe & Neffe was actually a Meybauer. It is a pretty cross with a unique hinge and pin, but a Rothe & Neffe?

I also found one I have marked L/4 and another one unmarked. I'm going to try to post these tomorrow night, I don't know that much about them to say for sure that they are Pre-45. The one with the 5 inside of the square box is unusual. If anyone knows anything about these, it will be greatly appreciated.

I must of had tunnel vision on the ek and the ribbons, just noticed the missing swords next to it. Now I understand. Nice Ribbon Bar! Never seen one like this before! I learn something new all the time. Thanks!

Did they make prinzen ek 2's with four prongs on the back and a maker's mark of a number 5 inside of a square? I have one of these and I'm not not sure if it is real. Will try to post later. Thanks.

Excuse my ignorance, but I don't get it! Do the other medals indicate a non-combatant? Please educate me here.

The corners and the dipping 3 is a dead give away.