Dietrich

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Order book 1940. Rick will explain, if need be.

I will post in the booklet thread, okay?

Absolutely nothing, nowhere. I have two other books (1940 in the very rear and 1945 bottom of last page). But nothing here. Where is this booklet thread? Dietrich

Happy I could help Unfortunately no year - at least I don't see one... Dietrich

DETERMINATION! Yes, it's number 38967. Unfortunately no name and book.

A type 5, Variation 1 with hefty 42.0 gr. of weight!

I saw that no Order of Lenin was posted yet. So let me start with this impressive order.

Hi Rick! I got an translation, hope it's right: Korniliaev Zahar Michailiovitsch eh, read for yourself... What's wrong with the ribbon? Dietrich

The detail and craftmanship is just amazing!!!

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The order book.

Hallo, just want to show this order of Friendship of Peoples. This is just such a beautifull award and it deserves to be shown. Dietrich

Numbered 84296

Hello, here's mine, unfortunately w/o order book. Dietrich

Apart form the fact that so far this is all an unsubstatiated rumor with no hard evidence, names or pictures behind it: Where's the difference if S&L made those on a cripple die in the 70-80 or a British outfit? Both definetely post war and therefore considered not genuine. I know, George, you only wanted to pull some more info on that rumor and I see that you have not succeded on both sides of the atlantic to get something substantial - and I have a Deja-Vue Dietrich

Oh, I couldn't agree more! The notion that EVERYTHING has to be absolutely the same, including finish of the ring, outer corners and what have you is really absolutely ridiculous. Dietrich

You have to be damn'd carefull with short and fast judgements. However, I honestly think that the A-Type/B-Type Test will help a lot of people to make a very good judgement. I never looked at the ring that closely, one can see that quite often, by the way (as you know). This coating before etching was also my theory. Kind of masking the to be etched surface with a "Schablone", spray it on and then dip. There is this step - I can't discuss (nor do I want to) away! Dietrich P.S.: wanted to show a picture, but size is to big. Making it smaller makes no sense - will loose the "poin".

Any ideas about the etching? Dietrich

Hi Gordon, I have not really noticed this "Rhodium" plating on any S&L other then a late "painted frosting" Type A (heavily flawed). But I agree, this 'flaking' can be seen with quite some crosses! It is interesting to not that the SEM testing so far did only show one piece with Rhodium and that was a K&Q. I have some SEM time hopefully coming up and I will try to check into this. My main objective however at this point in time is to find out the micxture or composition of the 'painted' frosting (compound is really a better description, as you say). What puzzles me at the moment is this "etched" frosting combined with the polishing of the outer flanges. I could and can clearly see a step UP from the frosted area to the polished area. This would clearly indicate a frosting AFTER polishing - and that makes no sense. However, if you look at the pictures I posted in the "3 Types Rounder Thread" at WAF, you will see what I mean. Oh, so many things to discover, investigate, to brain over, .. fortunately I belong to the kind of people who don't have an immidiate answer to everythig. That helps the drive, you know! Dietrich

Hi Gordon! Nice crosses and I guess they are all of the A-Type (excuse me if I use this terminology). They all but the last with the non-ferrous center, seem to have the 'painted frosting which makes completely sense in conjunction with the Rhodium plating. However, I also have seen Type A's (but not type B's) with the etched frosting, i.e. the chemical process. Do you have any idea, theory or whatever, when and why S&L switched from etching to 'painting'? Or was it done parallel? Or what? I try to somehow find a time line or such, the more so in connection with the Rounder with etched frosting. Thanks, Dietrich

... and the reverse. One can even read the inscription which is really tiny! Dietrich

Gentlemen, I hate to correct but the lats two pictures are of the "Treuedienst-Ehrenzeichen" which would be Faitthfull Service. What Mr. Chairman was posting and meant was the NSDAP Long Service Award. In his case the Second Class for 15 Years. I don't have the 'real' set, but I have a set of 16 mm Minis, which are more rare for sure. And if one wouldn't know one could think it's the real deal. Dietrich

Here's the "900" mark. Thanks for the nice remarks, gentlemen! Much appreciated! Dietrich