Graf

This is the back These are pics taken from a Dealer site However my $th Class is identical to this one Graf

Hi JIm R. If you click on the pictures It will zoom the image If it is not good Iwill try to get better ones This is the 4th Class of the German Eagle- front view Regards Graf

Again, not a good result This is the back of Schinkel regards Graf

Schinke-l front vew

Hi It does not look better Any way this is the back of Rounded 3 Regards Graf

Hi Jimm, Thanks I have restriction for the size i took better pics This is Rounded 3 -front view regards Graf

This is picture of Luxury Miniature of Silver Medal

Hi, The bronze ones have a very distinctive "mat' surface. They are not as glossy as the gold ones It is very easy to make a mistake by looking only the pictures Some worn gold look like bronze You have to hold a bronze medal to see the difference I was lucky to get two -French and Bilingual The picture is from my not updated Order of The Crown Set The Sash is modern one and the Grand Cross is missing, I have it now with a proper Sash. Regards Graf

Schinkel -reverse

Schinkel -obverse

Rounded 3 -reverse

more pics of rounded 3 -obverse

The German Eagle 4th Class

The Rounded 3 bigger picture of the reverse

The Schinkel Type

Hi, I have these Two EK1 in my collection for some time. I collect mostly WW1 Ek1 and Ek2, however i have few EK1 and Ek2 in my collection from 1939 period For most of my EK1 from 1939 period i am sure that they are original. However I need help for these two EK1 - Ek1 with rounded 3 I bought it long time ago from a dealer as an Original -EK1 Schinkel Type also from a dealer, however Lately I have found out that he sells a lot of repro as originals. I need also help for this 4th Class of the German Eagle it is marked on the pin 21 and 900 Thanks for your comments in advance. Regards Graf

Hi Guy, Thank you for the info. I know for a long time this unmarked Leopold Star on Robert Seniso site He reduced the price twice for the last two years - from 900 Euros It has similar features with the one I bought from Willy -especially the front central medalion The diference is that my Star has the Wolfers plaque on the back an the pin shape is like the pins on Wolfers Stars I have seen before. I am not expert on Leopold Order - just a collector who decided last year to focus on Leopold Order. Regards Graf

Hi Guys, Thank you for the response. I just did what I felt was the right thing to do... to rectify the dealer actions and to restore the grouping for the sake of the honour of Commander Hans Adam ( and the the member "art wall") I think that is what makes us the colllectors different breed from the dealers. By collecting and taking care of our collections we keep in some extend the history alive...and meanwhile we are enjoying what we have in our hands Hi Streptile ..regarding the EK1 by Juncker I agree with you. I have been chasing this one for a while, because I had already the 1914 EK2 by Juncker ( or i think it is Juncker because it is marked "J" on the ring) I like to make sets of EK1 and EK2 by maker..if possible. It is funny Collectors world... what goes around comes around Recently i sold to a dealer a very nice mounted Group of Miniatures of Belgium Orders ..two weeks later i was offered the very same group by a different person ( needless to say the group was separeted) The price was twice as the one i had sold it to the first dealer It is amazing Regards Graf

This nice EK1 stamped 800 on the pin is my contribution to the topic Note; The the J. Wagner& Sohn Berlin.W. EK1 cross on the backgroubd picture ("The IRON TIME") is not mine..I wish I had it Graf

This is the reverse of EK1 by Juncker Graf

Hi, Just to let you know that after long consideration I decided to return this excellent EK1 to the PLM grouping It is where it has to be. The EK is not lost just went where I belive it belongs. I do not regret my decision and I am happy that I have shared these pictures with you I may admit that I had in exchange a very nice reward (not money), which in a some way hepled me with my decision As a WW1 EK1 Collector I feel I have lost. as a general collector I have been rewarded nicely I hope that the new owner (also a owner of the PLM grouping) will enjoy the reunion. Thank you for your comments and I will not hesitate to share any new rare EK with the Forum like this nice screwback Ek1 by Juncker --marked L/12 That is life. Regards Graf

I agree there are so many sexy EKs out there This Ek is not for trade -just sexy Graf

Hi Guys, Thank you for your comments. They will be of help when I have to make my decision. I agree and disagree with Kay. First of all I put ths AWS variation as rare as KMST EK1 with similar attacment. More over I have seen few KMST EK1 on the market. This is the first AWS. Second. The EK has flat surface on the back which is different from the usual AWS "waffle" one. Also it is marked 935 for silver. Other fact is that it comes from a grouping, which is "well documented", and it puts additinal weihgt on the EK rarety. I own part of "history" without the price tag attached to it. I assume that AWS add the additinal latch by request of U-Bouat Commander Hans Adam.Even if the latch was added "after market" by other jeweller it does not reduce its value. As we know most of the EK1 with rare attacments wre pravetely purhased..only exception could be EK1s made by firm DRGM/KMST. All known EK1s by this firm have special attacments. I feel a little bit sorry for the member who claimed that he has bought the grouping, however it is not for the first time we have seen grouping to be split ..and will not be the last. At least I have seen 2-3 Knight Cross groupings bought and then split by the dealers for better profit or easy sell(off course with profit). They do not care about history..what they do care is the profit Anyway I will wait and see what will be next. Regards Graf

Hi Kay, I did not get it. The facts are : I have the EK1 by AWS in my hands The Member who contacted me has the The whole grouping, however with the replaced EK1(which is in better condition but not a rare Variation as the AWS one) We suspect that the "well known dealer" did split the EK1 by AWS from the grouping and sold it separetly. Did you sugest that I have to return The EK by AWS to restore the originality of the grouping or to keep it As a collector I am a little bit devided inside One part of myself says "keep The EK by AWS" the other one says "restore the grouping". At the moment the part that says "keep The EK by AWS" is stronger than the other one. I will probably never be able to get hold of similar Variation. I feel sorry for the member who spent fortune to find out that he does not have the grouping in its original condition as sold by Hermann Historica(Auction 59 Lot 107) The problem is that I do not know whether this grouping had been mixed and matched even before The Auction. Only the late Hans Adam could have known the answer I did not mention the name of the Dealer because the member who bought the grouping is still waiting for reply by him In due course I might let you know who he is. Regards Graf

HI, There is a very interisting thing has hapened recently. I got a mail from a member who bought the Pour le Merite grouping from a well known dealer The problem is that the dealer knowingly or unknowingly has sold the grouping with a new EK1 (which relplaced the EK1 by AWS) This member looks quite upset He sugested, indirectly, that I have to return the EK1 to restore the "history", which was changed supposedly by the dealer. I would like your opinion Regards Graf