Jacky

Mentioned in Despatched (MiD) those cited for bravery or excellent service/behavior are allowed to wear the oak-leave on the corresponding medal! Thus WW2 would wear it on either the defence medal or the war medal, it's just for what and when someone is cited. Kind regards, Jacky p.s. Wiki: MiD

Well, the dutch only have 3 state orders and 2 house orders: Militairy order of william Order of the Netherlands Lion Order of orange nassau. House orders of the house of Orange Nassau: House order of Orange Nassau Order of the Golden Lion of nassau, in co-grandmastership with the grandduke of Luxemburg the orders on the first magnifique bar are just german orders except the first one, the order of orange nassau., connected with the prince-consort of Wilhelmina, not the netherlands or nassau. Kind regards, Jacky

That's the order of orange nassau, please will you read my post #26. You have thrown the order of orange nassau and the house order on the same thing.... But they are separate orders!! Kind regards, Jacky and no.. what's wrong withthe 3rd class?

pinback after the review of the house order, somewhere in the 70's I thought... there are only 3 grades.... Or you must mean that he received the officers cross of the order of orange nassau, then it might be his bar! But the house order of orange nassau and the order of orange nassau are two different orders, the house order is a latin cross with red enamel ?nd a house order! It's fully the souvereign's own order and own decision who he/she wants to award. The order of orange nassau is the maltese cross which you have seen on both bars before, and white/bleu enamelled. This order is the state-order, thus awarded by the government in name of the queen, just in name of her, not given by her. Kind regards, Jacky

And where is his knight orange nassau??

Just a quick remark: the officers class are the 4th class of this order, the 3rd class is the Commander. And also, I thought that the orders were made for a very very short lifespan in real gold, and they quickly swifted to silver gilt. The order of Orange nassau is never abolished, it's still the most awarded civil order in the netherlands. However, the regulations were reviewed in 1994 and almost all automatism and double awarding (together with the order of the netherlands lion) had been removed. But besides this all, very nice bar!! Kind regards, Jacky

can't even load them when I click on the links...

Hello Chris, This is a really nice bar, but to help you: 1) Knight Orange Nassau with swords, in general for merit, but then also for long service, the swords denote the military merit/long service. 2) Knight wendic Crown 3) Knight of the Griffiondor 4) ? Knight order of Merit Meckelenburg? 5) Silver medal of the marriage Hendrick von Meckelenburg 6) Can't see it too clearly, thought first a bronze medal of the same, which would be impossible, but the person on the background appears to be a queen too, can I have a picture of the whole medal?? Thanks in advance 7) Long service cross for... suprisingly.. Long service, the cross was awarded after 15 years (wartime doubled itself) with the numeral XV, every 5 years an officer could get/buy a new one and rise it every time with V -> XV, XX, XXV, XXX, XXXV, XL which is the highest I have seen. This one appears to be XXV as the XV are quite on the right of the plaque, thus little guess XXV.

Okay, I will jump in.... Both from marktplaats This one is a Dutch Indies medal group, with the war commemorative cross, silver long service medal with 18 years clasp and the shooting star, whith clasp mentioning twice on something which I can't read. Corea-group, Order & Peace star with clasps 1948 and 1949, cross of justice and liberty with clasp 1950 for once deployed, Gold long service medal and the UN Corea Medal.

Why has he three times the same clasp??

I think the medals have been remounted instead of leaving them on the original ribbons, this becomes quite clear from the war medal, as this one has no MID-leaves on it's ribbon.... But both groups are very very nice! Kind regards, Jacky

Yes, I know foreigners are obliged too to return the order to the chancelery, as is it with the dutch national orders (except the militairy order of william). But foreigners are harder to push to return the order as they are a) living abroad, thus next of kin may be unknown to the dutch chancellery. b) why should they, next of kin, return dad's orders? It's a nice memento or even it gets lost in the heritance, it's somewhere in a chest going to aunt Margot in Peru or where else this makes it hard to get the foreigners to return their orders isn't it? Kind regards, Jacky

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't silver-gilt danneborgs awarded to foreigners only? As the native danish got the gold ones, because they were obliged to return the order to the chancelery after their death? As it's a possible foreign award? Might it still be possible that it's a private one? On the otherside, the mounting is very danish... Then..... mistake sounds strange too as the orders have to be checked etc on their standard before they were handed out.... It sounds like a good mystery... Now let's search for a mystery hunter to solve this for us.

Nice to know more about this medal. Could you please explain what the four grades are?? Silver grade, gold grade both large or small. That are four grades, so small silver, large silver, small gold and large gold. But what are Jeton and Emmery?? Kind regards, Jacky

Then I would think it's any of those royal commorative medals..... as 38 mm is quite a standard measurement for medals. Kind regards, Jacky

Nice medal, it appears to have to be worn around the neck. As far as I can read it, it's for long and loyal service in the "patriotic movement"?? It's a personal decoration, might be interesting to investigate who the receipment was? kind regards, Jacky

Hi Mike, I have also taken the liberty to add an image of the book, having the decorations on a straight line sounded very plausible to me, but then.. The last medal was ignoring this thought....... So now I'm wondering again....

I have been looking through the internet-auction, and have posted the image here, before the auction shuts and the image vanishes! Here it is. The upper-bar, Alexander I, indeed shows something which appears to be the swedish order of the sword, without the crown... Might be possible that the tsar himself ordered to have the crown removed, as wit would fit better in his bar with all the awards straight on 1 line?? But his bar is already a mess! Thus this would be a bit too much of a guess.... The lower bar, Nicolai I, also has the militairy order of William, from the Netherlands.... Wonderfull!! It's the 4th class, I thought that royalty always received the grandcross, but perhaps only a 4th class to wear when the grandcross wouldn't be worn?? Kind regards, Jacky

Fabulous decoration!! The leaves are the most wonderfull mention in despatches sign I have seen! The british, french, belgian and norge's have a hard way to beat those leaves with their devices, which are quite crude compared to this one! Kevin, congrats with your purchase.

Concerning the crown, there is no republical undertone to this crown, it's the so called Mural-Crown (in dutch: steden-Kroon) A mural crown has absolutely nothing to do with a kingdom! Kind regards, Jacky

Did you buy it??

That's you??? just joking, you looked very stern at us.... But 3 medals to boost isn't a shame! It's about the story behind it. WW1 veterans got only 3 medals, Star, Warmedal and victory medal. But what a slaughter was it.....

well, there are quite several types of MWO, all of them have prestidge on them. This is indeed a colonial medalbar, with at least 12 years service, as the service abroad would count double, except for the gold one. Thus the bronze loyal service medal would be earned after 6 years instead of 12 years. The silver after 12 instead of 24 years the gold however, after 25 years, instead of 36 years. Thus long service is not necessarily, but certainly distinguished. So, generally speaking, his service would have been somewhere around 12 ?nd 36 years, as it remains possible that he was sent back to the Netherlands and completed his service here. If he remained in the Netherlands-Indies, his service would be around 12 - 25 years. Concerning the model itself, the class is clearly a 4th class, as there is no rosette on the ribbon. Around this era, militairy Williamsorders were made with a difference in the green burgundy cross, the cross was quite "wavy" so to speek, the "points" on this cross would everytime touch both arms of the white cross, instead of being quite straight forward, just an almost flat cross, an Andreas Cross as in the flag of scotland. One could take just a MWO, but to have the correct cross would make this bar even beautifuller!! Concerning the weddingmedals: the medal, which takes precedence, and wilhelmina on the front, is the marriage medal, 1901. As in a good marriage, they switched from place and Hendrik was on the front on the silver-wedding medal, which is the last one, 1926. Kind regards, Jacky

Yes Marktplaats is it indeed, but as this is an international site, where few are able to read dutch, I have stopped mentioned it as marktplaats (too hard for others to know what I mean, thus prefer keeping it vague )

I have asked that question also before, please feel free to look at my question of 5 january. Kind regards, Jacky