ErikMuller

Not true: on occassion of the inauguration of H.M. Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands in 1980 the princes Willem-Alexander, Johan-Friso and Constantijn were all decorated with the Knight (1st class) of the House Order of the Golden Lion of Nassau. Also, and these names are not mentioned in the publication by C.P. Mulder and P.A. Christiaans, Prince Bernhard, Princess Juliana and Prince Clause were decorated with this Order. In 2000 both Max van der Stoel and Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela received the award, signed by Queen Beatrix (and in the case of Mandela, contra-signed by H.R.H. the Grand Duke of Luxembourg). However, during the years, the Grand Duke has made several appointments without a Dutch contra-sign. So Max van der Stoel was not the first one after Snijders to receive the order, nore was he the first Dutchman to be decorated as such since 1919. Sources: - C.P. Mulder/P.A. Christiaans - "Een select gezelschap en een vergeten onderscheiding - Ridders in de Orde van de Gouden Leeuw van Nassau", in 'Jaarboek Centraal Bureau voor Genealogie', part 44, 1990. - J.P. Kruimel - "Wedergeboorte van de Huisorde van de Gouden Leeuw van Nassau", in Decorare 4, November 2000.

It is missing the Grand Cross star of the House Order of the Golden Lion of Nassau however...

... (sorry have to learn to read before I write)

Only those on staff duties or of nobility. But than again... that hasn't changed today

Jan Fran?ois Beckman Born 1815 Died at Teteringen on 16 March 1889 Knight of the Order of the Lions of the Netherlands Officer's Long Service Decoration with numeral 'XL' 2nd Lieutenant (07-12-1837) 1st Lieutenant (28-11-1850) Captain (24-04-1857) Major (20-05-1866) Lieutenant-Colonel (04-04-1870) Colonel & commander of the 3rd Infantry Division (06-04-1872) Major-General & commander of the 3rd Infantry Division (23-01-1875) Retired 1881 Sources: Naam- en Ranglijst der Officieren van het Koninklijke Leger der Nederlanden en van de Nederlandsche Indi?n voor 1875 Dito 1880 Dito 1882 www.genealogieonline.nl

Aren't we spoiled in The Netherlands? Our rank lists from 1856-1900 are available in PDF, so are our Nobility Yearbooks till 1986, Ruling Families Yearbooks till 1992, and the pre-1900 Biographical Dictionaries. Very handy when researching (general) officers. For most of my research I use online newspapers in combination with geanological websites. The last ones often refer to published sources elsewhere and an e-mail to the makers of these sites often result in very good information (often, not always).

Thanks Chris, I will see what I can dig up for you in the Low Lands Cheers, Erik

I've been through those pages to, but couldn't find a positive match either. There's also www.archiefeemland.nl, but haven't found a match there either. At the end of the year the KB will add about 20.000 more newspapers online. I've also scanned through my police officer's yearbooks but no results there either. Unfortunately my earliest edition is 1933, so there would probably be more chance of succes - if this guy is a police officer - in the earlier editons.

Yes, other big city officers are also heavily decorated with foreign awards. For example, The Hague: Inspector F. Lori?: Knight in the Order of the Crown of Belgium Knight in the Order of Leopold II of Belgium Decoration 2nd class of the German Red Cross Decoration 2nd class of the Austrian Red Cross Decoration of the Hungarian Red Cross Commissioner Th.H.J. Besseling Knight in the Order of Orange-Nassau Knight in the Order of the Sacred Treasure of Japan Knight in the Order of the Crown of Belgian IJmuiden Commissioner D. de Ridder Knight in the Order of Orange-Nassau Gold Cross for Faithful Police Service of the General Netherlands Police Union Knight 3rd class in the Order of the Crown of Prussia Officer in the Order of the Black Star of Benin Vlissingen Commissioner A.O.F.W.C. Gasinjet Knight in the Order of Orange-Nassau Knight in the Order of the Crown of Belgium Member of the Order of the British Empire Medal of Gratitude in silver of France Amsterdam Commissioner K.H. Broekhoff Knight in the Order of Orange-Nassau Marching Cross (5x) Commemorative Cross 1923 in bronze Amsterdam Police Commemorative Cross 1938 in gold Amsterdam Police Police Swimming Proficiency Medal in silver Amsterdam Police Commander in the Order of the German Eagle Commander in the Order of Saint Sava of Serbia Commander in the Order of the Crown of Rumania Officer in the Order of Leopold II of Belgium Officer of Instruction Publique of France Decoration 2nd class of the German Red Cross Decoration 2nd class of the Austrian Red Cross But still a record holding police officer is: Chief Commissioner A.H. Sirks of Rotterdam: Officer in the Order of Orange-Nassau Commemorative Medal Honour Guard 1933 Bronze Table Medal for the Inauguration of Queen Wilhelmina, 1898 Commander in the Order of the Danebrog of Denmark Commander in the Order of the Crown of Rumania Commander in the Order of the Phoenix of Greece Officer in the Order of the Crown of Belgium Officer in the Order of the Sacred Treasure of Japan Officer in the Order of the British Empire Knight 1st class in the Order of Saint Olav of Norway Knight 1st class in the Order of Wasa of Sweden Knight in the Legion of Honour of France Knight in the Order of the Crown of Italy Officer d'Academy of France Decoration 2nd class of the Austrian Red Cross Medal 2nd class of the Prussian Red Cross Medal 3rd class of the Prussian Red Cross

F.G.C.J. F?ndter de Beauch?ne was a police commissioner with the Amsterdam Police. He was awarded the following medals: Knight in the Order of Orange-Nassau Commemorative Cross 1898 Amsterdam Police (1899) Knight 4th class of the Order of the Red Eagle of Prussia Officer in the Order of the Black Star of Benin So you can strike him of the list. To give another example of a senior police officers list of awards, hereby the list of awards to Chief Commissioner A.J. Marcusse, also of the Amsterdam Police: Knight in the Order of the Netherlands Lion (1928) Officer in the Order of Orange-Nassau Commemorative Cross 1898 Amsterdam Police (1899) Commemorative Cross 1923 in gold Amsterdam Police (1924) Commander in the Order of Isabel the Catholic of Spain Officer in the Order of the Sacred Treasure of Japan Knight 1st class of the Order of Wasa of Sweden Knight 1st class of the Order of Saint Olav of Norway Knight in the Legion of Honour of France Knight in the Order of the Crown of Belgium Decoration 2nd class of the German Red Cross Decoration 2nd class with War Decoration of the Austrian Red Cross Or, the awards to C. van Asperen, Inspector: Officer in the Order of Orange-Nassau Commemorative Cross 1898 Amsterdam Police (1899) Knight in the Order of the Crown Decoration 2nd class of the German Red Cross (1925) Cross of Merit of the Hungarian Red Cross (1925) And this are just senior officers of the Amsterdam Police, but looking at the newspapers from that time period a lot of other big city police officers received foreign decorations.

Well, I have an incomplete list of the French visit (sorry for those not reading Dutch, but this is a part from an newspaper article): De President der Fransche Republiek heeft benoemd: In de orde van het Legioen van Eer: tot grootkruis: Z.K.H. Prins Hendrik der Nederlanden; de ministers Th. Heemskerk en De Marees van Swinderen; tot groot-officieren: de ministers Wentholt, Kolkman, E.R.H. Regout, De Waal Melefijt, Talma, Colijn, M.L.H.W. Regout, vice-admiraal jhr. J.A. R?ell, graaf van Bylandt, baron Van Pallandt van Neerijnen, baron C.A. Bentinck, jhr. S.M.S. de Ranitz, mr. G. van Tienhoven, commissaris der Koningin in Noord-Holland, luit.-generaal W.A.T. de Meester; tot commandeur: baron De Vos van Steenwijk, jhr. J.A. van Kretschmar van Veen, schout-bij-nacht C.F. Tydeman, baron G.Ch. Snouckaert van Schauburg, jhr. W.J.P. van den Bosch, jhr. V.E.A. Boreel, jhr.mr.dr. A. R?ell, baron J.C. Baud, mr. T.G.H. Reitsma, Hendrik Kemper, S. Hannema, S.P. van Eeghen, schout-bij-nacht J.W.A.F. van Maren Bentz van den Berg, generaal-majoor A.N.J. Fabius, baron E.C. Sweerts de Landas Wyborgh, baron Van Asbeck, legatieraad te Parijs; tot officier: kolonel P.C.J. Noorduyn, jhr. C.C.Th. Six, kolonel graaf R.J. Schimmelpenninck, jhr. B.W.F. van Riemsdijk, luit.-kolonel H.L. van Oordt, B.H. de Waal, jhr. J.C. Rensdorp, jhr. J.B.D. van den Berch van Heemstede, L.W.J.K. Thompson, kapt. ter zee J.F. Hosang, G.L. Goedhart, W. Houwing, J. Alberda, de kapitein-luitenant ter zee J.J. Rambonnet, kapt. ter zee Zegers Rijser, J.C. Janson, L. Serrurier, graaf S.B.W. van Limburg Stirum, baron J.W.J. Taets van Amerongen, jhr. F.M.L. van Geen, kapt.-luit. ter zee jhr. C. Hooft Graafland, majoor jhr. C.L. van Suchtelen van de Haare, Hendrik Woertman, kolonel J.H. van der Burg, kolonel F.H. Donner, kolonel G.A. van Haeften, J.G. van Blom; tot ridder: baron H.E. van Asbeck, kapitein graaf J.H.F. du Monceau, J. Burgy, jhr. F. Michiels van Verduynen, C.J.R. v. Aalst, prof. Salverda de Grave, C.A. Hofman, H.S. Hordijk, C.L.J. Ketting, kapitein T.F.J. Muller Massis, A.W. Bos, luitenant ter zee J.F. Canters, A.J. Breda Kleynenberg, J.L. von Luschen, J.H. Tours, W.B.K. Boom, H.J. Versteeg, P.W. Sutorius, J.Th. Mouton, kapitein J.P.A. Termaat, luitenants te zee J.C. van Iterson, A. Tenbroeke Hoestra, jhr. S. de Ranitz, A.G.A. Everts, N. van Wingen, E. Cool, A. Cerf, G.W. Vreede, J.M.H. van Lelieveld, de kapiteins jhr. R.H.S.G. Six, W.H.C. Boellaard, G.P. Goffin van der Star, J.M. Mazel, H.A. Mos, F.C.A. van der Minne, luitenant ter zee C.L. Schepp; In de orde van de Zwarte Ster: tot commandeur: M.F. Stokvis; tot officier: Dinant de Ridder, F.G.C.J. Fundter de Beauch?ne, A. Kummer, A.F. Dietz, J.A. Willems, F. Logemaat; tot chevalier: J.A. Smalt, E. van Broekhuizen Dietz, J. Aaltz Sterkenburg, P.J. Vos, A. de Groot; tot commandeur Du Cambodge: baron Sirtema van Grovestins; tot officier de l?Instruction Publique: dr. De Hartogh, H.G. van Buseck, H.B. van Rhijn, S. Vas Dias, J. Asscher, D.S. van Heyningen, Georges Rooseboom, Benjamin de Brueys Tack, W.A. Poeschmann, F.A. de Klerck, luitenant A. Ruys, jhr. H.A. van Reygersberg Versluys, baron J.J.G. van Voorst tot Voorst, A. van Hoboken van Hoedekenskerke, H.C.J. Gritters, luitenant ter zee C. Ruehl, A.A. Chouillet, J. Funke, M. Bouwman; tot officier d?Acad?mie: H. Tersteeg, IJ.B. Santen, F.H. Gerritsen, J.M.C. Ligtermoet, E.Th.F. Voorhout, Yves Zacharie Dubosq. Source: Nieuwe Rotterdamsche Courant, woensdag 6 juli 1911, Ochtendblad B.

Sorry for not answering your question by e-mail, but I'm a bit behind on answering the e-mails through my website. My first idea would be a police commissioner or chief commissioner. The Dutch police was a uniformed service and thus elegible for the Mobilisation Cross 1914-1918. In 1910 a French state visit took place and - although I'm not certain about the exact date - the King of Siam visited the Dutch Queen about 1913-1915. The Order of Orange-Nassau was quite common to be awarded to senior ranking Dutch police officers. Cheers, Erik

Chris I would be very interested in the details of this Dutch recipient. Could you post them here or PM them to me? Thanks, Erik Muller

Nice Guy! I would love to see that one 'live' at the end of the month!

Thanks! It's quite a difficult language when you only have an online dictionary and a small traveller's dictionary! And to think that when I visited Talinn last year I could manage myself in English almost everywhere

Thanks gents! Another translation I need help with: "Hollandi ja v?lismaade vaheliste suhete arendamise keskinstituudi dir" The person in question was director of a steel manufacturing facility, but my dictionary doesn't give a translation for "keskinstituudi", nor do I get a handsom translation for the words in front of that. I come as far as "Dutch ... foreign international (or chemistry) terms develep ... institute director".

Thanks Dave!

Hello, I'm doing some research towards the Estonian Red Cross Order. Somehow there were different versions. I can understand the following: Eesti Punase Risti teenetem?rk I klas = Estonian Res Cross Order 1st class But what does this mean: Eesti Punase Risti m?lestusm?rk II j?rgu I aste Estonian Red Cross (Commemorative Badge?) II ??? Ist degree Help would be appreciated. With kind regards, Erik M?ller

Is there a medal roll for the Order of the Freedom Cross?

There was only an old guard. Don't think he even knew English!

See edited post

Of the Dutch medals at least three were fakes: the Naarden Siege Medal 1814 (tin version of 1860), the Flying Cross (questionable) and the Crown for the Honourable Mention on the Expedition Cross (definitely not an official one!).

Thanks Now that I've seen it I definitely think its Belgian. No Dutchman would design such an ugly medal Seriously, the grenade is Belgian style and the uniform on it is certainly not Dutch. I guess the VR stands for "Vrijwillige Rijkswacht" (Voluntary State Guard) or something like that.

ok... missed that paying-at-the-entrance-bit. Oh well, you still made some beautiful pictures and I'm glad I have them on my hard disk Just hope SKF has an alternative for this waiting for us in October

Guy, You had quite a nice close-up of this one. Could you please post it? I visited the museum together with Guy and some other medal nut cases last year during the international meeting of phaleristic societies. We had quite a nice strawl through the museum. The only problem was that it was forbidden to take photographs inside, so we had to guard Guy off from the guards while he was taking pictures. How did you manage to get those pics Ed?