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This page appears to show two WW1 era photos of Ley wearing what appears to be an EK2 ribbon in his buttonhole. http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=107739 Does anyone have a list of his earned decorations?

I am guessing about his #1 place award because I cannot confirm that he earned the IK 2 in WWI although as an officer (wears the officer's observer badge) it would be hard for him to have avoided it.

That would be a red ribbon with white/black borders? This one in #7 place looks to have a central stripe. The one in #6 looks like a dark color (although lighter than the #7 ribbon: may be angle/ribbon make/dye difference) and has the lighter border stripes like the Austrian Anschluss ribbon. I am searching for a color photo or better resolution bw one but no luck online yet. I am sure we are all on the same page with the ribbon types but for anyone looking at this 'new' here's a link to the ribbon patterns: http://www.worldmedals.co.uk/Rib/germrib.htm

This site http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/related/ribbons/regulations/rules_regulations4.htm shows the German Social Services (Red Cross or 'Volkspflege') decoration or medal, with swords, (assume the 'decoration' is 3rd class, medal 4th class) to be the correct first position medal but the Sudetenland medal is the only medal, by regulation, that can be in the #7 place, between the Anschluss and the West Wall medal ribbons. Weird or wrong?

The 'normal' ribbon in the #7 space would be the Sudetenland annexation ribbon, which this is not. The #7 worn, appears to be a dark color with a lighter color centered stripe, like the Eastern Front medal ribbon, which would have been worn after the German Social Services medal, and before the 'Hindenburg Cross'. I am not familiar with wearing these 'flower' war medals in a reverse order. The picture is small but can be enlarged by left-clicking on it. Can anyone provide a better picture?

The #7 place medal ribbon looks like the Eastern Front ribbon but that would not be the correct order for the award.

Does anyone know which medals Dr. Ley wore on his medal/ribbon bar? It appears to be: 1. German Social Services 3rd Class with Swords (per 1942 regs); 2. Hindenburg Cross 3. NSDAP 25 year 4. NSDAP 15 year 5. NSDAP 10 year 6. Anschluss 1938 medal 7. ??? 8. Westwall What makes the grouping interesting (to me) is the comparatively rare triple NSDAP awards. Any help?

yes, Mackenson is wearing his medal bar in this photo, the ribbons over the medallions. I am interested in finding out which medals he wore on this medal bar or earlier medal bars.

Here is a link to a picture that shows a long, post war bar but the resolution is not good enough to see detail. It's typical of the photos I've found: too small to be useful. http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_von_Mackensen#mediaviewer/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-L19106,_Doorn,_Beisetzung_Kaiser_Wilhelm_II..jpg

There are post-war photos of him in full-dress where he appears to be wearing his medal bar but the resolution isn't good enough for me to make them out, except for the 1870 EK2.

Any photos/list of medals on his seldom-worn medal bar?

Is that the 'frozen meat order' between the War Merit Cross and the Hindenburg Cross, and the Anschluss on the other side of the Long Service decorations?

Some of the online resources are conflicting on this point.

That is a reasonable supposition-the inclusion of police service represented by the SS long service medal. I posted this same question on the Civil and Party Decorations and Awards forum but no definitive answer there, either.

SS generals like Keppler, Demelhuber, and even Dietrich and that butcher Theodor Eicke, had Army service followed by police service, then, for Keppler and Dietrich, SS Verfugungstruppe service before it morphed into the Waffen SS. I have read that the Imperial Army service and police service counted for SS service awards. Anyway, the point of the thread is whether there are any examples of a police long service medal or ribbon being worn with an SS long service ribbon or medal. I have only seen one example on a Google search and there was not enough background to make it convincing as an original. Photos of Keppler's ribbon bar are ambiguous as to the long service awards and Dietrich seems to have worn Bavarian and SS long service ribbons..

I have seen Imperial LS followed by Third Reich WH LS and also examples of WH or SS followed by NSDAP 10 and 15 years, but not SS and Polizei. Does anyone have a picture ?

Several higher ranking SS generals had served in the police between the wars, prior to resuming their military service (Georg Keppler and Karl Maria Demelhuber, for example). Were SS and Police long service awards worn together on the medal and/or ribbon bar?

Several higher ranking SS generals had served in the police between the wars, prior to resuming their military service (Georg Keppler and Karl Maria Demelhuber, for example). Were SS and Police long service awards worn together on the medal and/or ribbon bar?

That seems like the likeliest possibility, unless it's been 'assembled' post war. Have not seen painted ones before or discussed in refererences, but who knows?

Kurassierhelm with black paint?

Jaeger zu pferd EM with busted wappen?

The photos and portraits are not easy to 'read'. Did the first Kaiser, Wilhelm 1, wear the crossed batons insignia of a field marshal, or rather, the insignia of a senior general (Generaloberst) with the rank of a field marshal? He is not listed in the online list of Prussian field marshals.

It would be great to have an even better photo of Ludendorff wearing the medal bar. Even though the photo above is good and can be enlarged to a pretty high resolution, it's not in color and the detail is still not good enough to conclusively indentify everything. Does anyone have anything better? The medal Solomon mentions would be a likely one to have been worn, as it was on the Kaiser's, next to the Lippe Schaumburg medal.

Yes, the photos and painted portraits do not appear to show it. Does anyone know what medals he did wear prior to WW1?

I found most on the German site Militaria-Agent, run by Ralf Ganzel. His supply is hit-or-miss and he does not 're-stock' often. There is also another German site, Ordensmanufaktur, that I don't have the complete URL for, that can build medal and ribbon bars and has some individual medals. The Australian site, Quarterdeck also has them, but even though Gary is a good guy, the delivery is spotty to the USA.