Mike Huxley

Greg, I think you will find that a crown on the war ribbon represented the HOH. Mike

Well whoever paid $597 plus shipping for what is basically 2 EK2s and a FAM in silver in mho needs their head testing. I hope it wasn't anybody from the forum.🥺

Great information and back up on this subject. It's certainly opened my eyes on what I thought was a make believe bar.

I also saw this one and thought it had to be wrong. I would be interested to see the statutes that show this is possible. The second EK on the bar looks very new or maybe over cleaned, just doesn't tie up for me though.

Those ribbons look extremely new to me?

Great find Stogie, well done

And passed from you to me, then back to a forum member in then USA again. I wish now I had kept it.

Doc, how about naming a price for this group, it helps if members know what you want for it?

Well all, this bar is still available, if anybodys interested in it

Very rare indeed. Here's the link to my original post and comments from Rick. Sorry, my link to the article didn't seem to work. So here's what Rick said. Posted 16 May 2007 · Report post For many many years the "noncombatant" and "war effort" awards were not highly regarded by Imperial collectors. In my own case, I sold almost all of mine when I got into Soviet collecting 13 years ago. @#&%*!!!! NOW, as rolls come out, and we get some idea of the real numbers awarded, no matter how "non exciting" these may SEEM compared to frontline bravery awards, the smaller the state, the much rarer these are. That Altenburg medal with the wrap-around 1914 bar, for instance, was awarded only 1,091 times (1,086 as this combination, and 5 bars to a pre-war medal) Rare as 1,091 is, SUBTRACT 381 awards to women and 1 lone one to an Austrian and already the Possible Suspects List is immediately knocked down to 709 German men. A good number of those can be eliminated as military or ex-military personnel and people with other known awards, but I have never pursued it beyond this point because many hundreds of people about whom nothing will ever show up in awards records would be left. What once was thought impossible is now eventually... inevitable. The key will be a Mecklenburg roll for the second cross which can be compared to the Altenburg one. On that happy day, I expect the name will LEAP off the page. And based on what "seeheld" has shown us of the Mecklenburg rolls that DO exist... like Lippe-Detmold's rolls, there will be birth and other data included to add some LIFE back to the name. The 20XXs/201Xs are going to be very very exciting years for Imperial research, with the team assembled HERE pursuing our inter-related goals of award rolls transcriptions and officer research.

If any of my fellow Flight collectors are interested, I have this badge for sale

By the way guys, I have a few more bars for sale and an Observers badge. If anybody's interested drop me a PM here

Ahhh Rick, go on be a devil and have both. You know I'll come to a deal with you on shipping etc

I love the bar, but I have one question please. Have you black lighted the ribbons. To me they look very new and the same for the stitching on the reverse?

All I will say is, that my Great Uncle who lived to 105 and was with the 7th Cameron Highlanders in WWI always kept his medals clean. I am sure that any soldier would do that, so why leave in a state of decay?

Then let it remain like that Chris ... I don't think an Egyptian soldier would clean it anyway

That's true Chris it would be, with nothing to show it's age. Is there any inscription on the rim?

Hmmmm ... I'm in two minds on this one Chris. All my British medals are clean, so I think some gentle cleaning to bring this back to life is needed

The reverse view of mine with a slighly different means of attaching the Barden award. Unfortunately missing the mounting pin.

Very nice original pair Brian. As you say,the Baden Felldienstauszeichnung does come with a bar and here's my pair with the 1870 -1871 bar on it. Not in the best of conditions but, nice all the same.

Mervin, are you saying that on a Bar, the ISM should take prescidence and would be mounted before Gallantry awards and campaign medals? Mike

Two fantastic groups But what strike me is .... Both lovingly cleaned and polished as medals should be. Wait till a collector gets their hands on these in years to come and I bet they'll just let them get dull and dirty in the name of preserving them as they were Cheers, Mike

Hmmmmmm Interesting Chris, both "BB&M" and "Medal Yearbook" state that these were not named usually? Cheers, Mike

Brian, I was wrong about the War Medal, this one was officially named to Australian and South African personnel only, however not the Defence Medal. Cheers, Mike

Tony, Kev & Graham are correct. None of British WW11 medals were named, that included all Stars and the War Medal. BBM quotes that some Stars were named to South African and Austrailian personnel. For War and Defence both were issued unnamed for all countries. Mike