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I have seen this. Did all officers change directly in 1938? I can onley say what happened in Sweden when a change of a uniform take place or a new uniform comes in the old days. Because in Sweden officers hade to buy there uniform, not the battle uniform. So there was always a transition time when the new was introduced. About 2-5 years. Specially if the officer was in the reserve. So often officers used different uniforms, some hade the new and some still used the old type. I don know how it was in Japan. But it can be that this officer didnt change his uniform 1938.. Maybe he changed it after 1941 or he never changed it? If you look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shizuichi_Tanaka read under the picture. And here a photo taken 31 Dec 1940 according to the page. http://nipponnews.photoshelter.com/image/I0000tARXErvgTko See on the attached picture, taken 1938, you can see both types of uniforms are used at the same time. So.. i think you can not exclude that he still was wearing an older type of uniform in 1941 or even later. Here are the acts from 1941 about the OWE and OC. The-Most-Exalted-Order-of-the-White-Elephant-Act-1941-TH.pdf The-Most-Noble-Order-of-the-Crown-of-Thailand-Act-1941-TH.PDF

Here are the obverse of the red cross medal.

I get the same thing right now when i tried. Dont know whats wrong. I did not save any of the documents unfortunately so i cant show it to you. Ýou have to belive what i read and what my friends in Thailand told me. I will get more information from one of my friends, he is an expert on Thai ODM. In the meanwhile can´t you show what you have?

I agree with you about the site. its not one of the best in the world But its the official page from the Thai govermeant. Did you look here http://www.soc.go.th/iframe.php?url=https://www.soc.go.th/law.htm

Ok hope you can read Thai Go in to this page http://www.soc.go.th/Royal-Thai/Royal-Thai-index.htm Hear are all documents you need about Thai ODM, Orders Decorations and Medals.

All documents i seen, and my friends in Thialand, say that the type 2 of the order of the white elephant and the order of the crown came in 1941 (2484). What do you have for evidence that it happened LONG before 1941? Long before for me are like 10-20 years before. I have heard that there where a version of the order of the white elephan that looks really close to a type 2 but it was in between type 1 and 2. See pictures of the order in 4th class. The first picture are oldest, between type 1 and type 2. See the differences in the circles. (It can just be a tall tail to, that it is just diffrent makers och the order :9 )

To me it looks lika a naval dirk. Maybe russian. There are similarities on the handle to that.

What happened long before 1941?

So he got the 2nd class of the order of the golden kite?

If you look in Wikipedia they say there are a unknown class... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Golden_Kite#Unknown_Class It would have been given to Tateo Katō. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tateo_Katō Anyone know what class he was given?

Then it is as i thought. Thank you for the answer.

Looks like my miniature medal also have diffrent ribbon then the original medal.. I haven´t thought about that before

Is there anyone who have a picture of this? If it exists...

He is not allowed to wear medals with ribbons and medals without medals at the same time.

Forigners can not get this award by donation.

Here are a list of Queen Sirkit of Thailands honours. Queen Mother Sirikit of Thailand Thai honours: Dame of the Most Illustrious Order of the Royal House of Chakri Knight of the Ancient and Auspicious of Order of the Nine Gems Grand Cross (First Class) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of the Most Exalted Order of the White Elephant Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of the Most Noble Order of the Crown of Thailand Knight Grand Cordon (Special Class) of the Most Admirable Order of the Direkgunabhorn Member (Special Class) of The Order of Symbolic Propitiousness Ramkeerati - Boy Scout Citation Medal King Rama IX Royal Cypher Medal (First Class) Freeman Safeguarding Medal (First Class) Civil Dushdi Mala Medal The Border Service Medal King Rama IX Rajaruchi Medal (Gold Class) The Red Cross Commendation Medal Asian foreign honours: Imperial State of Iran: First Class of The Order of the Pleiades (1968). Brunei: Junior (Sri Utama) of the Most Esteemed Family Order of Brunei (DK II, 1990). Indonesia: First Class of the Star of Mahaputera (1961) – Bintang Mahaputera Adipurna. Japan: Grand Cordon of the Order of the Precious Crown (1963). Kingdom of Laos: Grand Cordon of The Most Esteemed Order of the Million Elephants and the White Parasol (1963). Laos: Phoxay Lane Xang (January 1992). Malaysia: Honorary Recipient of the Most Exalted Order of the Crown of the Realm (Darjah Utama Seri Mahkota Negara – DMN), 1963. Sultanate of Kelantan: Recipient of the Royal Family Order or Star of Yunus (Darjah Kerabat Yang Amat Di Hormati) (2004). Sultanate of Selangor: First Class of the Royal Family Order of Selangor (Darjah Kerabat Yang Amat Dihormati Kelas Pertama, DK I, 1999). Sultanate of Terengganu: Member of the Royal Family Order of Terengganu (DKR, 2009). Nepal: Member of the Nepal Pratap Bhaskara (1986). Philippines: Grand Collar (Maringal na Kuwintas) of The Order of the Golden Heart (1968). South Korea: Grand Order of Mugunghwa (1981). Taiwan: Special Grand Cordon of The Order of Propitious Clouds (1963). European foreign honours Constitutional monarchies Belgium: Grand Cordon of the Order of Leopold (1960). Denmark: Knight of the Order of the Elephant (6 September 1960). Luxembourg: Knight of the Order of the Gold Lion of the House of Nassau (1960). Netherlands: Dame Grand Cross of the Order of the Netherlands Lion (1960). Norway Grand Cross of the Royal Norwegian Order of St. Olav. Spain: Knight Grand Cross of The Order of Isabella the Catholic (1960). Grand Cross of the Royal and Distinguished Spanish Order of Charles III (1987). Sweden: Member of the Royal Order of the Seraphim, 2 Sept 1960. Republics: Austria: Grand Star of the Decoration of Honour for Services to the Republic of Austria (1964). Germany: Grand Cross (Special Class) of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany, 1960. Greece: Kingdom of Greece: Grand Cross of the Order of Beneficence (1963). Italy: Grand Cross of The Order of Merit of the Italian Republic (22 September 1960). Portugal: Grand Cross of the Order of Saint James of the Sword, 1960. African foreign honours: Empire of Ethiopia: Grand Cross of the Order of the Queen of Sheba (1968).

Hi everone! Are there someone out there that have a picture of this medal. Victory medal - Korean war with flames. I have a webpage about orders and medals from Thialand and that are one of the few medals i dont have a picture of. If your interested in thai orders and medals visit my page www.silvermedaljen.n.nu

Yes its a type 1 order of the white elephan 5th class before 1941.

Isnt this the Haw campaign medal 1865–1890 ribbon? Looks like they put the wrong medal to the ribbon. The clasps are for 3 years service in the campaign.

The scout medal is not an official Thai medal. Its not in any of the 4 official medal groups in thailand.

This order are a type 1 it stoped in 1941 when the type 2 came. It look like a Danish type of medal mount.