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Original naval zeppelin badges looking at the reverse should show the crown and wreath as separate pieces joined together. U’ll see a fine line often between the crown and the rest of the badge. A Godet may be harder to notice. Attached is a Meybauer reverse crown showing the separation. Hope this is helpful.

Jasta Unit on the Western Front 1918. Fokker DVVIi or Fokker DVIi.8? w the modified engine exhaust? Trying to identify the unit. Note the windburn or sunburn face of the pilot on top of the engine cowling. He flew this plane and I am trying to identify using Norman Frsnks research on Jasta Pilots. It’s a needle in a haystack so far!

Can anyone tell me anything about this Napoleon gold stickpin? I’ll add a pix of the knurled pin.

Lew that’s a killer photo of a naval formal parade jacket and Godet Observer. I think Pandis shows only 4 Naval Godet pilot badges in his book but I’m gonna re-check. Great stuff. Naval stick pins r getting harder to find! Thank u for sharing. Attaching a few naval pilot stickpins for ur pleasure. Erik

Ur godet observer is stunningly beautiful. The carved out eagle eyes. ? Is that a Meybauer mark on the stickpin? For comparison r these two godet pilot samples. Note the silver on some worn spots.

Beautiful beautiful beautiful

SR et al if anything, I've unfortunately exposed a great weakness about this site. These last two threads I’ve posted showing engraved badges has turned some responses into an obvious hatchet jobs. Notice when Vince speaks up to say that this is a period engraving... why is he is ignored? Notice when Tomas is rebuffed by John for saying a steersman is not a "flying job" - again the comment is ignored. And when I politely point out the ridiculously obvious that someone has stuffed a Rothe badge into a Zimbler case, I’m ignored. The obvious gets ignored and each time it becomes an opportunity for one the complaining crows to sidestep and repeat the insultingly insane canard that these r fake engravings on real badges. There is no judge in this courtroom.... no moderator. It’s a jungle for opinions only. Every argument I post will be ignored or swatted away by a select few claiming fiefdom for their righteous opinion. Reading the recent posts it’s become a street fight on an unmoderated forum. I have received quite a few private emails from world class collectors and dealers with decades of experience who no longer post on this site. One even wrote me in reply to the wild comments being made: —- You say crazy? I say stupid. Elmar (Enzo) is the only person on GMIC who is worth reading, when it comes to AH pilot badges. R. 2022-04-14 17:57 GMT+02:00 > > There r some crazy people on GMIC lol but I love Enzo. —- It is clearly obvious that I am only digging a deeper hole if I keep posting. It’s probably a waste of my time to write more but I share it for the inexperience reader who may find use in it: My first observation — that if the engraving were done with a rotary pen, Enzo, Tomas and Sandro would have been immediately on my tail pointing it out upfront. Their initial silence speaks volumes. I also note Tomas isn’t wasting his time nor John anymore on these threads. For good reason. Enzo’s judgment I most respect. And he is silent for good reason too. As was told to me yesterday by one the greatest living museum conservators who handles priceless artifacts, he learned a long time ago never to pronounce on the authenticity of an object that he cannot examine in hand, and with his own lighting and magnification equipment. What appears one way in a photograph may appear completely different "in life". Might good advice for the crows on this site. By the way, SR , I know exactly what u meant - by plunge marks from fake Vietnam Zippo lighters. I lived thru that war and we collected them back then. They are LARGE and obvious... it is a heart-felt exaggeration - as someone said - you can see them from 10 feet across the room. Fekete is much more refined - this engraving - and I have expert jewelers who have seen this engraving. It was pointed out to me by another dealer w 40 years experience that u and Sandro make a good team. He's an excellent cheerleader. Although SR I don't see u holding urself out per se as the "expert" on A-H badge engravings from Rock Hill, South Carolina, I am wondering if u have been put up to do a hit job on this innocent badge. Maybe I splashed without paying my obeisance to the household gods on this site, except now it’s plunge marks instead of the 1908 gifting date. I operate openly in good faith. Maybe not w the right eloquence for this site. Fortunately I’m getting info on the bios from fellow doctorates and researchers who care about what is important. This too is my last post on these two threads - further from anyone would seem superfluous, silly.

Good and Kind Enzio. Thank you for ur reply. I never thought there could only be two case engraved badges and in Pandis’s book he separates the engraved badges from the cases to really make it hard to get a reliable heads up. What’s enjoyable is learning perhaps a couple of handful case engraved badges still exist. And seeing them! Still rare specimens. I’ll start forming my observations as questions to lower the heat on this site. I’m not the final answer but I know how to ask good questions and eventually get the answers. Everything I am doing is an inquiry. There is no right or wrong - just evidence (sometimes) on what survives. And sometimes that is not much to go on. Ur Rothe is a lovely sample. I assume it’s undocumented as r most badges. Even without provenance, it is still a legit badge and engraving. Congratulations on owing one of the most highly sought and rarest and beautiful AH pilot badges. U must have had it a long time. What I don’t understand is why it was fitted in a Zimbler case as Zimbler never sold Rothe badges. Is it a married case to the badge? Ur not a novice. Whatever ur answer I appreciate ur insights. The light reflection on ur Rothe makes it difficult to see the maker mark on the pin of ur very rare and lovely sample. Is ur pin stamped by the maker? I’m attaching a copy of the Rothe and Nephew maker mark. I note the Rothe Crown Jewels r missing on ur sample and mine. Do u collect AH and German Pilot Badge group sets? FAI license? Do u have an estimate based on ur personal knowledge how many case engraved pilot or aircrew badges exists? How many Rothe AH Pilot badges exist? Someone just offered me a hat pin badge from the Austrian Air Force. It’s nice to see the rich flow of history Austria is honoring in the design from the Empire era. Ur replies r alway much anticipated and appreciated. Erik

Here’s the back pin. It’s really stunningly beautiful to see in person. But the solder on the back is typical of WW1 pin attachment

Tifes. Great reply. I’m not a big fan of eMedals bc so much stuff is junk (but Barry who owns the site is very interesting) - so we now have 3 known if the eMedal is legit. I am assuming it is for purposes of this email. Pretty damn rare stuff - right? How often do u come across a badge and get to learned who it belonged to? I e done that many times. It’s the biggest rush. I have Fekete’s records partially from Veinfurter. I figure some of u cats know know where and how to dig up details especial on German sites. Anyway if u can add more on his bio, Tomas, I would be grateful. R u a collector by the way? U have been very helpful to me by the way. Enzio - do u care to pipe in on this lovely displayed?

Santos

GD Santos. I can live w ur uncharitable remarks bc I am in an inquiry. The evidence is what it is. Inquiries r never personal. They r for revealing the truth. Even if it includes uninvited and inappropriate remarks to satiate ur ego. If I learn more from this site great. If not that’s ok too. U could have commented one that fabulous badge or the background info on Fekete - but I just keep getting a sense u r going to keep knocking me down. I’m not afraid from making a mistake and learning about it on this site. No one cares about ur opinion about me - I certainly don’t. Nor does my publisher. I am interested in learning the truth about what I hold in my hand. Pl don’t get hooked bc I asked a question or make an assertion on the number of case engraved badges. Bottom line is there are not many original ones. If u stick to the data - I might learn how smart u really are rather than how important u r. U certainly have been useful on Popov if again in an unchivalrous way with me. The value is in his the story. Ur link u sent opened me to a world of useful data and new contacts. Now if u care to add on Fekete’s story as a living being, I would be honored. There r others reading and watching. I hope u will be more useful moving the conversation forward. Thank u.

So it was Dec 1908 ? thank u

It has mystery for sure…. I am almost exhausted from reading everything ? it’s all good. Really. We each control our own destiny. But keep going - my GMIC score just went up a lot lol. Anyway… here’s a new post Tomas, Enzio, el. al. I’m asking for some help. What category should I post badges under in the future? ur comments r invited.

Is this a WW1 Deutsche Luftstreitkräfte Stickpin? I’ll posit the back later. Early ww1 war pin mount. Silver. Stunningly beautiful.