Komtur

As Markus and Mike said before, there are the tools of the awarded crosses stored in the Bode-Museum in Berlin. Additionly there are documents about the production, telling us there where 260 crosses produced. As usual in Germany, it is possible to examin items stored in official museums. So we know now, wich crosses fit in the punch exactly (always in only one of the four possible positions!). Here is another "fitting" one (please notice - again gilded crowns and silver edge of the cross):

and the second page:

Here you are:

I don?t want to hijack Wild Cards Label-thread, so I answer RaZpuTiN?question here: reduction size: 29,3 mm; weight: 12,7 g original size: 40,0 mm; weight 33,4 g The ring of the reduction is marked SILBER. But neither the ring, nor the medal looks like silver gilded :unsure:

The reverse with the label

Another one of Gustav Vietor from Wiesbaden:

The nice needle on thee back seems to be gilded

W?rttemberg, silver jubilee medal 1911. I like that slight Art D?co influence you find in some of the late imperial medals.

The back with finest quality engraving :love:

Hi Joe! It is, but sorry, nothing usefull on the back. The only thing we know is, that she lives in K?nigsberg. The picture came with a cross, but I?m afraid it is not hers, because of the different style of wearing the ribbon. Best regards, Komtur.

the unfortunately chiped eagle

the back

Early version of the REO4 with smooth arms. The colour of the eagle is between lilac and red, the eagle in fine detailed style.

We have still seen some of these crosses. I can add now a picture of a women decorated with it. Best regards.

You are right: Friedrichroda is a small town in Thuringia. Regards, Komtur.

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I can add the first version of the sign of the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Gesellschaft zur F?rderung der Wissenschaften, 1911-1918 about 300 produced. It was given for donations to the science institutions of this society.

To me too it looks like GODET. So the other marking could be the silver content: 800, 900, 925, 938? Regards, Komtur.

details. Best regards, Komtur.

Like for example Generalmajor Paul Hoeckner (MEZ2 in ranklist 1904). The MEZ2 is on the wrong place, but the bar is quite similar to the above.

There are two main sources in German about these medals (first in a journal, second in a book): Lothar Tewes in "Beitr?ge zur brandenburg-preu?ischen Numismatik" Heft Nr. 2 1995 "Die preu?ischen Rettungs- und Erinnerungsmedaillen von 1833 bis 1918" Friedhelm Beyrei? "Rettungsmedaillen Deutscher Staaten 1782-1918" Norderstedt 2006 Best regards, Komtur.

... and lots of non-official versions in very different quality. Regards, Komtur.

Sold for 915 Euro. Nimmergut (OEK) price for a 1st class PCO 2nd modell without X and without X on the ring 1800 Euro

There is a small misunderstanding: it exists only one supplement volume (No V). With volume II I ment the second one (with Prussia) of the first set of four. Regards, Komtur.

As I mentioned before, that question is a real problem and often there will be no answer for a single order. No question, there were private purchased orders, wich hadn?t pass the states orders ministry controll before 1918 as well as the orders made for recipients after 1918. That?s what I ment, when I said before, there originality is sometimes a "question of belief". As I remember this was discussed here for the PlM, because there was a real need of replacements because of the proud "all day wearing" of this order up to 1945 and in some cases later. Unfortunately this uncertainty is used by unserious dealers to sell certain copies to us.