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Very Interesting, Thanks for the link , Kim I´ve done some research in the family history and a relative to my wife Grenadier Per Storm was participant in 1808-09 war and later in the 1813-14 war (survived both) Christer

Hello Viliam , I have Ancestry available and they list all personal from the Minenwerfer Komp 208 , is it something special you want to know ? Christer

Thanks Jaeger 7 I have now names of 73 Germans with Liberty Cross III 1918 so still some missing Christer

Erich Beschke born in Magdeburg Aug 3rd 1878 , first in service Oct 1st 1904 He was with 2 Bayr Feld Art Rgt 1914- 1915 , later in 1918 Bayr Gebirgs Kanon Batt 07 EK II , BMVO IV x , BMVO IV Mkr x 1918 Luitpold Medal, Austria MVK mKd June 23rd 1918, Finnish Liberty Cross 2nd class May 28 1918 If I read right he was OberLt dR in may 1918 wich explains why he got a second class instead of a more normal third class. Christer

And I was reading through the 20th Btl war diarys and couldnt find anything about a 2nd Lieut Mancer ...... Thats explains it , he was probably moved to 1/8 Btl in Feb 1918 when becoming a Off ? Big Thank you Tony , now I have some more reading to do in the extreme heat here in Sweden + 30 C for two weeks now almost And since I´m already hooked on Vic medals I have an acoount on Ancestry , but thanks for the offer Tony and again a big Thank you for pointing out the connection to 1/8 btl Have a nice summer all Christer

Aha , Thanks Irish Gunner I learn something every day . And after a little searching I found the war diary of 20 th Btl Manchester Rgt , They were at Somme July 1st 1916.... of 20 officers and about 630 soldiers they lost 15 officers and 310 soldiers in 5 days...... Totally madness Christer

Hi all, I bought a Victory Medal thats giving me some thoughts ..... Instead of the usual Number and Rgt it only says 2.Lieut W Mancer ?? I cant find any Mancer at Ancestry ..... Could anyone help me on this one , is that unusual to be without Rgt No , or is he from some other part of the Empire ?? Christer

Hi Paul, I find a Dr Emil Gutman born 16.6 1877 in Cobutg Sachsen Weimar , could that be him ? Looks like he spent the war at Res Laz Bamberg and Res Laz Wurzburg II only award listed is KLK and JM Started as 1 year volunteer April 1st 1898 , and war service August 2nd 1914. Christer

This cross is for sale but I really wonder if its real ? They are really rare , and all I have seen was made of silver with silver marks , but this Cross has no marks at all ?? Any opinions Christer

And another one find its way home to me ...... This time a civilian 1939 4th class. I love theese civilian Crosses Christer

Yep , found them one ribbon bar with six awards , one with four + one loose and one more with four + one loose. Cant really remember what I paid for them in 2010 but is 20 $ including postage to Australia ok ? just send me your adress and pay through paypal (my email adress ) herrsundtorp@hotmail.com Christer

Here you go Paul Christer

Hi Australia , Yes I still have the ribbon bars in my collection and I have no problem selling them back to the family I think its good to reunite medals and other things to the original owner or family. Just give me half a day to find them Christer

Aha , Thanks Paul Now I know what to look for in the " Finnish medal Bible" ( Janis Book ) Christer

I bought this medal but I´m not sure what it is Finnish that I can see and 1881-1902 so before the liberation war in 1918 .... Some sort of Army Jubilee medal ?? Hopefully its worth the 25 E I paid. Any Finnish experts out there ? Christer

Youré right Mikko , I mixed up two auctions , this one went in Auction 19 , April was Auction 22. Even two years ago it was a super price for a object like that. Almost like an Knights Cross with swords oakleaves and diamonds Christer

Sometimes you wish you had a lot of money lying around ..... ( probably always ) This Finnish Liberty Cross 1st class without swords was sold in Sweden in April for ........ 2300 Euro And few so few where ever awarded and this cross was given to Johan Mannerheim ! Gustaf Mannerheims brother. at this price it was a steal I dream on ........

Gentlemen , I think we have an answer I have gone through a lot of data about Wasa Orders to Germans and comparing to Claudius list for 1912 German functionaries and found exactly one (1 ) matching name. Not only has he to be a member of the German functionary team in Stockholm 1912 , he also had to be young enough to go to war in 1914, survive and get the EHK in 1934/35. Dr Paul Emmanuel Karl Martin RWO 1912 If we only had the Braunschweig Honor Cross records , I tried to find anything at Ancestry but it seems that he havent been wounded. The Fracken Spange fits well into his profession as a Dr. I been searching on Ancestry for him and maybe found a clue ?? a Dr Paul Martin was living in Kantstrasse 147 , Berlin in 1919-1928 ( in 1928 he is listed as Regierungsrat) after that I lost track of him A successfull cooperation between US and Sweden Christer

And sometimes you find a real treasure I found this on an auction with with bad pics , so I didnt know in what state it was . But when it arrived it was just wonderful .... Finnish Liberty Cross III cl 1918 civil version Only 221 awarded in 1918 and just 500 made ever !! I have about 180 names so I miss about 40 the collection grows Christer

Arghhh It looks quite convincing after a quick look ....... I really hate these people ...... Christer

Hi Jani , That was interesting news , do you that the digitalizing means that it will be possible to do some reserch online in the future ? Christer

Hallo Andreas , I don´t think there is a list of Liberty Crosses awarded to Germans , at least not open to public. I have a ongoing database for Liberty Crosses and I have probbably all Germans with 1st, second and third class but i miss most of the 4th class awardings. But I will check this evening and see if I have your man in the list I look through the few Germans with 4th Class I had ( 12 ) .... but not your man sorry to say . christer

Without question Onni Kokko was the youngest soldier who was awarded the Finnish Liberty Cross. He was awarded a 4th class 1918 shortly before he died in hospital after gun wounds he got in the battle of Tampere. Onni was born March 4th 1904 and died April 22 1918 only fourteen years old, a tragic ending in a extreme tragic war. He was one of 6261 who got the Liberty Cross 4th cl 1918 with swords. Christer

Here is what the medal should look like I totally agree with Peter , finding an replacement ribbon is probably impossible .... Christer

This small simple looking medal is probably on of the hardest Swedish medals to find in connection with Finlands liberty war in 1918. Its the medal to the Swedish volunteers in the Swedish Brigade , they where about 560 who entered war service and I suppose awarded medals was about that number to, This one is lacking the ribbon and hanger but they are so scarce that I bought it anyway A small but historic piece to my collection Christer