Ed_Haynes

This gets us into the whole complex era where table medals, often made and awarded simply for their intrinsic value (how much gold, how much silver) were mounted (officially or unofficially) and worn from chains or, later, ribbons. A fascinating transitional period, but we are never certain whether what we see is stuff for phaleristic or numismatic study.

See the discussions over at: http://www.omsa.org/forums/showthread.php?p=8060 http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=4986

While these are far from my collecting focus, as I collect not to natives (of Australia) or even more exotic natives (of the British Isles), but to Indians, I find this naming odd. I'd need to check the majhor dealers' lists (all online), but most contemporary WWI naming would, I think, be "A.I.F.". This seems to me to be a later replacement (or very late issue, especially for a KIA BWM). Worth checking the service records (online, I think?).

Lovely thread, Christophe. Thanks. But all I can hear, in the background, is the Village People singing: "In the Stasi, yes, you can sail the seven seas. In the Stasi, yes, you can put your mind at ease. In the Stasi, come on now people, make a stand. In the Stasi, can?t you see we need a hand. In the Stasi, come on, protect the motherland. In the Stasi, come on and join your fellow, man. In the Stasi, come on, people, and make a stand. In the Stasi, in the Stasi."

And all legs are on the ground. At least in THIS photo.

Yes, but what IS the pup doing to the wreath???

Out of curiosity -- and deferring to better eyes than mine -- could she have a Taisho Enthronement (1915)? This might help date the photo.

Yes, to a degree. But, through 1945, only 3346 awards IN ALL CLASSES had been made, most in the lower classes and anything 4th class or better was extremnely rare. Until 1919 it was the only order open to women, and this is her time period. (See Peterson, 2nd ed., pp. 28-33.)

Oh, no, but if 007 gets his way and Scotland goes independent, it will probably be THEIRS. The St. Patrick (for Ireland) is extinct as the last knights are that way too. Since recipients of the Star of India and Indian Empire still live (the last I heard), these orders are "alive", though no awards have been made since 1947. Of "the great orders", two live (Garter, Thistle), two are dead (St. Patrick and Star of India).

The highest classes of the order only went to Imperial Princesses or other noble folk. Your average nurse (and remember the early 20th century social view of nurses) wouldn't have been CLOSE to this order. No run-of-the-mill Red Cross doughnut dollie, this. And I agree totally about her look. She is, thank you very much, IN CHARGE OF THINGS. And, for a pre-WWI Japanese woman . . . !!

I fear most of us have never (and will never) have the chance to examine these closely. The accumulating evidence does being to suggest "unnumbered", though? When I had the chance to fondle Eisenhower's Victory, I didn't know enough to check for numbering, but we see the image and document. A fascinating thread.

To my novice eyes, the first medal (on the bow ribbon) looks like a low (7th or 8th?) class of the Order of the Sacred Crown, so this young lady is a "someone". Then three war medals. The second looks like the 1900 War Medal, which would suggest the first is for the 1894-95 War and the last for the 1904-5 War. Second-guessing the spectrum shifts makes this dicey, however. I assume the botton row is her Red Cross stuff. Hoping that Paul will pop by now and straighten us all out . . . .

Fascinating! While the "free market" may not have entered into all aspects of post-Soviet Russian life, it has surely taken over phaleristics, making today's Russian scene almost as bad as all those veteran-purchased "commemorative" Viagra medals that infest the US and UK.

Purchasing the right to use the image does not transfer copyright. But this gets us and those who don't understand the problem of intellectual piracy probably won't care or get it.

Correction: The picture is from the Eisenhower Museum and Library. "Harvested" and copyright falsely and illegitimately asserted by that site you cite.

OK, this may be a difficult question to discuss seriously without it becoming a political rant, but I have a serious phaleristic question: Of the 20 prime ministers of the 20th Century: 12 received the Garter Douglas-Home had the Thistle already 4 declined it (Lloyd George, MacDonald, Chamberlin, Macmillan) 2 died too soon after leaving office (Campbell-Bannerman and Bonar Law) And then there is Tony Blair? Will he or won't he get the Garter? Or maybe the Thistle? Will he or won't he accept it? (And, an extra-credit question, will he be offered or accept a peerage?) Only the Queen knows for sure, but maybe even she doesn't know? I know I am asking us to gaze long and hard at our crystal balls, but go for it! If this becomes any sort of political rant, from any side, I request this thread be locked.

Super! I'll try to get the last of the scans off to your tomorrow.

Thanks for this. The thread has gone far beyond the intent of the original post and some really valuable information on Chinese Republican/Taiwanese awards has been presented. Thanks! Chinese ODM are a mess (in any era), and a really good book in English is long overdue. Over at the OMSA database we have some good images that might (or might not) matchj up with Hugh's useful list. See: http://www.omsa.org/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=544 We still have a long, long way to go, though!

Thanks Gordon! I am learning. Slowly. A copy of the book (expertly translated) is, as they say in India, "just coming".

Thanks. And the colours of the cases, by the way, are not as different as they look in the photos. A nice rich claret for both.

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