Ed_Haynes

I'm not quite sure what you are asking. The order is not named at all, whether awarded to natives (of the British Isles) or to Najdis or Jordanians. The distinction between the Nadji and Jordanian awards is important to maintain, as they had different designs, were awarded by different states, in were (and are) given out under very different historical circumstances. Most Najdi al-Nahda badges that have come to the market have been awards attributed to Brits. That says more about the market than about patterns of award or "market value". I know of only a few awards attributed to Arabs in collections. For those who collect Arab awards, these are (obviously) much more preferrered over awards to foreigners, which were pretty freely given out. I think the issue here has more to do with how the market works and what has been seen up for sale than as a similar reflection to the often-blatant racism that has, until recently, actively influenced prices on South Asian medals. I have never gotten into the price estimation game and do not plan to start now. Checking auction prices at a reputable place like Dix, Noonan, Webb might give you a sense, though most Nejdi awards I recall were in groups? I am still seeking a nice image that I know I have/had somewhere (others know that feeling?) and shall, if there is any interest, put up a long post over in the international section (as this was not a British award).

There is very little information on anything from Southeast Asia and especially on the socialist states. It SEEMS that this award came in three classes, but evidence is sparse.

Web site? No. But this does remind me of several real sources -- BOOKS -- that I need to check. If this is Ross, he'd have had the chance to wear his Prussian medal for only a few years, so placing this photo chronologically should be easy. Sorry I am being so slow, but I have very little experience tracing natives (of the British Isles), being more used to tracing natives (of India).

For comparative cross-reference to the sibling Mongolian bars, see: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6241

I have seen, and never bothered acquiring, solah-topees made in India for the British.

Please . . . can we play nicely together . . . PLEASE.

I tended (before I saw nicely done Mongolian ones) to think of paper ribbon bars as "DDR" and as "nasty".

Right now, sorry, my heart is going pitter-pat at his medal bar (and ignoring the uniform). Can you please do a high-res close-up, pretty please . . . .

Surprised (showing my ignorance) at the pawlonia leaf in Korea. Would they have used an orchid in "Manchuguo". What was the Korean flower??

To judge by Mongolian ribbon bars (I do not "know" the Soviet ones), there was a range, from hand painted, to paper/plastic strips under plastic, to ribbon under the plastic. Weird and wonderful!

And, for us, more important than the "longest-running campaign" or political issues, apparently the end of the British use of the "medal and clasp" pattern which began (though actually with the East India Company, not the "Crown") with the medals for the first Sikh war.

A fascinating example of Japanese imperialism in Korea. A nice set of Korean and Japanese awards!

Wow . . .

The full list is at http://sagongs.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=242&st=17 (Sorry, you'll need to sign up to see it). My guess is that this is a "Mr. Ross" who was awarded the "Order of the Prussian Crown, 2nd class, without star". Could try the online London Gazette. though this may have been only in the Gazette of India? (The Gazette is cranky just now )

One more glimpse into how that (unfortunate) 25th anniversary badge was viewed (or, rather, how recipients WANTED it to be viewed).

Oh, yes, the Pakistani medals are a random hash.

Interesting story, interesting hypothetical tale. Cute. But there are still the medals and the asserted group. And I still don't like it. I cannot imagine our imagined soldier would be so ignorant of the order of wearing of the medals of his own country, in whose forces he served (if we are to believe this group) for something like 18 years while serving the king for maybe 5 years. As my teenage daughter puts it . . . whatever . . . . The proper order of wearing, just to put it on the record, would be: GSM TiJ Pakistan Medal Republic Medal And then the Brit stuff you all know

I was thinking just that too.

There were surely Prussian Crown and Red Eagle awards for the German crown prince's visit for the 1911 Durbar. I have that list (maybe even as a PDF), let me check. But I have a hard time imagining something that high for the police.

Take your word for it, Michael. I avoid contact with Indian police, more than with other police. Except maybe Afghan.

Company Havildar Major

Oops, correction,. another Dogra group: 4648 Company Havildar Major Dina Nath, 2/17th Dogra Regiment See: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=2400&st=66

A part-original mounted group which I haven't had the heart to rip apart and remount. 4648 Company Havildar Major Dina Nath, 2/17th Dogra Regiment 1- IGS 08, GV, 2nd variety, "NORTH WEST FRONTIER 1930-31" -- "4648 SEP. DINA NATH, 2-17 DOGRA R." 2- IGS 36, "NORTH WEST FRONTIER 1936-37" -- "4648 NAIK DINA NATH, 2-17 DOGRA R." 3- 1939-45 Star -- "4648 CHM DINA NATH" 4- Pacific Star -- "4648 CHM DINA NATH" 5- Defence Medal -- "4648 CHM DINA NATH" 6- WWII War Medal -- "4648 CHM DINA NATH" Need to check his POW status. Interestingly, no regiment on his WWII medals.

The early OBIs and IOMs were made in a single piece, but they soon discovered that the high-domed enamel centres on the obverse cracked. The mint then started manufacturing these with a separate centre so it sould be screwed out and replaced if it was damaged. This is also the reason that early official naming of the IOM was stopped, to be replaced by occasional regimental naming. The 3rd Bengal Cavalry was very good in naming up the OBIs awarded to their VCOs, in pretty much the same style as Malik Singh's here.

A nice matching set. Not common. Could the moderator please merge this into the preexisting topic.