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Is the revese just like this one in the book? Rusty.

Ed, Although you may be correct to me the badge smells Russian. The enamel is what does it. It's too nice! I do think that the pin on the back is a replacement. Rusty.

Rick, That early of a badge would have to be made in the Soviet Union and I would expect to see some mint mark. I'm not that big into intricacies of the Mongolian awards to be of any help. Rusty.

Ed, I like that! I'll need to remember that one!!! The information I'm compiling is for everyone. I don't plan to write a book so I'm not concerned with rights. It would be nice to be acknowledged but otherwise... Rusty.

Ed, Regardless of what you think of that forum, it's still the best resource for Communist Block countries. Let's let what happened in the past stay there. Rusty.

These have always been faked! To find one with perfect enamel and a document would set you back a nice chunk of cash. Rusty.

Maybe the signature was Red but with artificial aging it took on pink? Who knows... Rusty.

I agree! The badge seems to be missing the S/N and it's not up to par. Especially the enamel. The book looks like it was made last nigh on artificially aged paper. Russians used cheap paper and almost everything in that book should look old and faded. The stamp is way to new looking. The beria signature is in pink? Ha? Rusty.

I created the new thread HERE! Feel free to add comments or suggestions Rusty.

This is per Ed's request... The original post on the other forum has pictures and can be found HERE! although you need to be a member to view that forum. I'm updating it as more information comes in. If you have anything to add please let me know. Thanks! Rusty.

Updated on 12/14/2005 Order of Grand Star of Yugoslavia Grand Star Founded on February 1st, 1954 with 125 awarded up untill 1985 It was bestowed to chapters of the foreign states for strengthening of communications 10 diamonds and 45 rubies. 1 - Natural Stones with 10 awarded 2 - Synthetic Stones with 115 awarded Price: Unknown Grand Star worn over the shoulder Founded in 1952 with 159 awarded 1 - Star from rubies. 2 - Star from enamel Price: Unknown Grand Star worn on the neck with Breast Badge Founded in 1952 with 320 awarded 1 - Star from rubies 2 - Star from enamel Price: Unknown Grand Star worn on the neck Founded in 1952 with 322 awarded 1 - Star from rubies 2 - Star from enamel Price: Unknown Order of Freedom 7 awardees: Tito, Ivan Gosnjak, Koca Popovic, Kosta Nadj, Peco Dapcevic, G.K.Zhukov, L.I.Brezhnev The highest military award of Yugoslavia, founded on June, 12th, 1945 It was awarded to commanders of the largest army units and for a skilful management of armies and an outstanding courage. Material: Gold, rubies (45), enamel, brilliants (61) ? 6 mm largest size, others - 3 mm. Price: UNKNOWN - None known in private collections Order of Hero of Socialist Labor 1 Class with 114 awarded up to 1986 Founded on December 8th, 1948 Awarded with title of Hero of Socialist Labor It was handed over to citizens, enterprises, collectives for outstanding successes in work Material: Silver, gold, rubies (5 stones at 7.5 mm and 30 stones at 3 mm) 1 - with natural stones 2 - with synthetic stones Price: Rare and the last 3 sold at extreme prices 11/03/05 - 1 for sale for about ?5,000/$6,000 Order of National Liberation 1 Class with 262 awarded The award is founded on August, 15th, 1943 Has one degree. It was awarded to heads for the organization of resistance. Material: Silver, gilding. 1 - Soviet Production on 5 sided suspension 2 - Yugoslavian Production in silver 3 - Yugoslavian Production in silvered bronze. Price: $1,000 Order of War Flag 1 Class with 209 awarded The award is founded on January, 1st, 1952 with 205 awarded up to 1985 It was bestowed to the highest military leaders for a successful management of Armed forces 110 diamonds and 35 rubies 1 - natural stones 2 - synthetic stones Price: $1,800 - $2,500, more for 1st type Order of National Hero 1 Class with 3 Types Founded in 1943 with 1,346 awarded 1 - Soviet Production in gold 2 - Yugoslavian Production in gold 3 - Yugoslavian Production in gilt bronze. Price: Gold - $1,000 - $3,000 || Tombac - $75 - $300 Order of Yugoslavian Flag Founded on November 26th, 1947 in five classes. It was awarded for civil merits 1st Class - 1,421 awarded 1 - Silver 2 - Silvered gilt bronze Price: Star alone around $500 Full set (Star + Sash w/ Badge) is around $775 - $1,000 2nd Class 1 - 5 torches on reverse 2 - 6 torches on reverse Price: Set for sale at $865 3rd Class - 1,443 awarded 1 - 5 torches on reverse 2 - 6 torches on reverse Price: $300 - $350 4th Class - 955 awarded No variations. Price: ?250/$295 5th Class - 769 awarded No variations. Price: ?230/$270 Order of Partisan Star There were 3 shipments made from Russia: Sep 1944: 1 - 1,000 | 2 - 1,750 | 3 - 4,000 Oct 1944: 1 - 2,116 | 2 - 3,588 | 3 - 8,100 Jun 1945: 1 - NONE | 2 - 3,000 | 3 - 10,000 Total: 1 - 3,116 | 2 - 8,338 | 3 - 22,100 1st Class - 627 awarded (T1-516 + T2-111) 1 - Soviet Production 2 - Yugoslavian Production Price: $1,000 + 2nd Class - 1,531 awarded (T1-881 + T2-650 ) 1 - Soviet Production 2 - Yugoslavian Production Price: $250 - $300 3rd Class - 10,384 awarded (T1-9,277 + T2-1,107 ) 1 - Soviet Production 2 - Yugoslavian Production Price: 1 - $30 - $75 || 2 - $25 - $40 Order of Merit for People Founded on June 12th 1945 in three classes. It was awarded to citizens and organizations for merits to Yugoslavia 1st Class - 4,668 awarded 1 - Screwback 2 - Pinback Price: UNKNOWN 2nd Class - 39,534 awarded 1 - Screwback 2 - Pinback Price: $20 - $70 3rd Class - 282,864 awarded 1 - Screwback 2 - Pinback Price: $10 - $40 Order of Republic 1st Class - 1,150 awarded 1 - 5 torches 2 - 6 torches Price: $450 2nd Class - 6,310 awarded 1 - 5 torches in silver 2 - 6 torches in silver 2.1 - 6 torches in tombac Price: $120 - $200 3rd Class - 11,088 awarded 1 - 5 torches 2 - 6 torches Price: $100 - $150 Order of Labor 1st Class - 7,096 awarded 1 - Screwback 2 - Pinback 3 - Pinback 2 fork style Price: $100 - $150 2nd Class - 36,338 awarded 1 - Screwback 2 - Pinback Price: $35 - $45 3rd Class - 182,910 awarded 1 - Screwback 2 - Pinback 3 - Pinback 2 fork style Price: $10 - $20 Order of Yugoslavian People's Army 1st Class - 536 awarded 1 - early pieces are 4mm narrower 2 - standard Price: 11/03/05 selling for ?600 2nd Class - 9,137 awarded 1 - two variations with different size of white enameled circle Price: $75 - $150 depending if siver 3rd Class - 45,384 awarded 1 - two variations with different size of white enameled circle Price: $75 Order of Military Merit 1st Class - 2,609 awarded 1.1.S - Silver Pinback 5 torches 2.1.T - Silver Pinback 6 torches 2.2.T - Tombac Pinback 6 torches Price: $325 2nd Class - 24,141 awarded 1.1.S - Silver Pinback 5 torches 2.1.T - Silver Pinback 6 torches 2.2.T - Tombac Pinback 6 torches Price: $70 - $150 3rd Class - 94,685 awarded 1.1.S - Silver Pinback 5 torches 2.1.T - Silver Pinback 6 torches 2.2.T - Tombac Pinback 6 torches Price: $40 - $95 Partisan Spomenica 1 Class 1 - Russian Production Screwback Badge - 12,430 awarded Total produced for the below types is 27,629 2.1 - Screwback 2.2 - Screwback converted to pinback 3 - Pinback Price: $100 - $125 Order of Brotherhood 1st Class - 3870 awarded 1.1.S - Screwback 5 torches 1.2.S - Converted to pinback 5 torches 1.3.S - Pinback 5 torches 2.1.? - Screwback 6 torches 2.2.? - Converted to pinback 6 torches 2.3.? - Pinback 6 torches 2.4 - Pinback 2 fork style Price: $115 - $240 2nd Class - 55675 awarded 1.1.S - Screwback 5 torches 1.2.S - Converted to pinback 5 torches 1.2.? - Pinback 5 torches 2.1.? - Screwback 6 torches 2.2.? - Converted to pinback 6 torches 2.3.? - Pinback 6 torches 2.4 - Pinback 2 fork style Price: $35 - $75 Order for Bravery 1 Class with 3 Types 1 Soviet Production 2 Yugoslavian Production IKOM 3 Yugoslavian Production ZIN Medal for Bravery 1 Class with 2 Types 1 Soviet Production 2 Yugoslavian Production Labor Medal 1 Class with no Types Merit for People Medal 1 Class with no Types

Ed, It is the forum that you are thinking of. I'm not too concerned about the ownership since it's a group effort and I have had contributions from all over. I feel guilty claiming it as MY work. I can post what I have on the other forum. I'll make a seperate thread for it... Rusty. P.S. It's still work in progress...

Gunner 1, Is it possible for you to scan that book? I'd love to see what they wrote since I'm building a database of types and variations on another forum. Thanks! Rusty.

This is my complete set: Rusty.

Here's my Military Merit 1st Class 5 torch variation. Obverse: Reverse: Mint Assembly Mark: Rusty.

Rick, I believe he does no reserve auctions and the market determines the price. He's a very good seller and can get you anything for the right price. My friend deals with him on a regular basis and most (99%) of his Mongolian items are direct dealings with him. I myself have bought a few pieces for my collection from him. Rusty.

If you are reffering to the same guy (Pumbark?) I'm thinking of then he's not selling that much of the mint dumped pieces. He actually drives his truck all over Mongolia's little vilages and buys this stuff right from the veteran or their family. Rusty.

haynau, S/N's below 1,000 tend to bring a better premium. Your's is still nice. I believe they go into 5 digit range. Rusty.

haynau, Your's is the more common type with a S/N on reverse. Lower S/N's tend to cost more otherwise your's is fine! Rusty.

Nice! Mongolia had one of the best medals/orders umong all of the communist block countries. I consider them in the same league as: Soviet Union Yugoslavia Early Romania Rusty.

I'm really surprised this guy hasn't hit a newbie yet! I've seen a OGPW2 from 1985 sell for over $100! I'd take about 50 customers and sell them my stash! ...there's a sucker born every minute! Sad but true.

Notice the small MM on the bottom of the revese and look at the typical late production Russian loop. Rusty.

That is the real deal medal. That pic was taken from the official Russian Federation web site. There has been fewer of these issued and only a handfull of collectors have them outside of Russia. Here's mine: Rusty.

Ed, That's a downpayment on a small house you got there! Rusty.

I would check if it sounds like a silver dollar when you flip it. These are widely faked now across the pond. Rusty.