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From the pic that seems to be the case, but there is a very big gap between 1892, when he received 2nd class, and 1906 when he became Vizeadmiral. And the 2nd class is an award worn at the neck. That said, eMedals gives 41 x 39 mm for a third class cross and 48 x 52 mm for a commanders cross. Wiki gives 30 mm for the Diamond Jubilee medal partially covering the alleged St. Stanislaus, and the Zentenarmedaille on the left side of it measures 40 mm. The order believed to be a St. Stanislaus is definitely substantially larger than both of these medals, so given relative sizes it seems possible that Schmidt wore the St. Stanislaus second class cross on his bar, rather than at the neck. Kind regards, Sandro
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Fair enough, Karlo. Problem is that the hidden decoration strongly resembles the St. Stanislaus, and that there are not many orders that look like that. Moreover, mostfo his foreign decorations look to have bene Komtur grade or higher. In the pic Schmidt looks to hold Vizeadmiral rank. When did he achieve that rank, when was he awarded the RSt2mSt and did he have a third class of the order at any time after his appointment as Vizeadmiral? Regards, Sandro
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Thanks for clarifying Vince. Frankly, I don't see the issue. Stephan did a book on Braunschweig, and is doing a book on Hannover. As is often the case in such cases, many of the pieces are probably not his, even if copyright in the pictures is. Kind regards, Sandro
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Hmm, this is not good, all this suspicion about someone who recently joined and decided to share his knowledge. Many collectors these days don't share, not because they are trolls (as Laurentinu's suggests) but because they want to protect their identity, or because discussion on fora has stooped down to the quality of your average Facebook chat. And yes, I do think Stephan owns Schwarzbook Verlag (as is evident from the watermark on his pics) - but I'm not sure how relevant that is to the question whether or not we should welcome his contributions. I, for one, welcome, Stephan to the Forum. His excellent 3 book series on Braunschweig has been in the works for some time, and its development could be seen on Facebook - I, for one, was alerted to it by our (former) fellow member Medalnet. Welcome to the club, Stephan, and thank you for your contributions sofar, of which I hope to see many more. Kind regards, Sandro
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Quite possible, given the construction of the crown suspension. The pic again is of poor quality, and I would expect the blue field to come out differently in B/W. But the construction of the suspension suggests you are correct. That is very much in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? The quality of both pics is poor, but the sash in hte Albert looks lighter to me. That said, yellow has a tendency to come out funny in B/W (check out pics of the Zentenarmedaille), so perhaps you are right. Why don't you convert the color pics I set out above to B/W and compare them to the Alberts pic? That may give better insights than trying to compare the colors on two low res poor quality B/W pics. Just my 5cts. Kind regards, Sandro
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I think you are probably correct. I checked the 1914 and 1918 Ranglisten, but saw no match (he had the Russian St. Stanislaw 2nd class which had or could be awarded with star, but since the pic is late war/post WWI that seems unlikely. I see on your Facebook page he had the Hohenzollern Hausorden Komtur with swords - that order could be awarded with star, too, but that star was worn on the right breast (unusual for German imperial orders, but there you are). Do your sources say whether he was awarded the star as well? And are you sure the pic is not a composite, with the orders painted in? The medal bar seems to be at a strange angle compared to the Komturkreuze and the FA cross underneath, and the latter seem to be way to high on hte tunic. Kind regards, Sandro
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Could it be the Commanders cross of the Norwegian St. Olaforden (an order that from memory was ocasionally bestowed on German naval officers)? Hannoverian commander crosses (Guelphic cross and Ernst August Orden) have a similar shape, but since hte kingdom of Hannover was abolished in 1866 after Hannover picked the wrong side in hte Austro-Prussian war that seems less likely. The Belgian aAlber order commanders cross star has a similar shape, and so does the English Guelphic order commanders grade star . But it is very hard to say what shape the star actually has, as part of it may or may not be obscured by the FA cross. Kind regards, Sandro
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Thanks Kriegsmarine Admiral, your comment about the list is helpful background. If you re-read the thread, you’ll see that I called your gentlemanliness into question after you expressly declined to thank Markus because had not given you anything you did not already have. You have since corrected that, and have now explained that you intend to disclose the list you are compiling, as you have done with a similar list posted elsewhere. If you do that, you are definitely a contributor, and your thank you to Markus reestablishes you as a gentleman. So case closed, as far as I’m concerned. Kind regards, Sandro
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Not entirely sure why you're upset, because you asked the question whether questions count as contributions, and two members tell you they think not. BTW, on your own suggestion, I've quickly checked your list of latest posts, and all I could find were positings of you asking for help on identification of medals worn by admirals on pics scanned from the Hildebrandt series. I have no problem with that, but I can not see why you would get upset if people don't consider that a contribution. A contribution would be me identifying the order of the griffon for you, as I did yesterday, or you sharing the list you have complied, like Markus did. Anyway, enough said, time to move on. Kind regards, Sandro
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Frankly, no, contributing would mean sharing info you have, not having others answer your questions. I think your're filling your database, on the basis of publicly accessible pics. Mind you, I have no issue with that per se, but would expect you to thank those who try to help you doing so, even if you don't find their contribution helpful. But I see we at least agree on that now. Kind regards, Sandro