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See what I mean? Same crown as the Godet but that one might be "R." I have to get my files to check the frames as I'm not so good on "R" frames.

My goodness, an easy one? I don't think it gets any easier than these so far (really) OK, one more very easy one:

Yes, quite easy: MFH. Of course you're right about AWS The easy ones are crowns (cores) which only one maker used. If you show a common one, you have to look to the small part of the frame showing and guess.

Actually yours wasn't a cinch, because many makers used this core. It was the frame that told me Godet, and only because I know their frames by heart now. Here's one for you, and this one is easy. Only one maker used this core:

Hi Sascha, Thank you for your battleship of a reply. I agree with you 100% about Werner. You asked if Austrian made crosses should be hallmarked with Austrian silver marks. I have no idea. Should they? I am not up on Austrian awards, procedures or regulations. If so, then that's a powerful argument against [FR] as Rothe. So Sascha, do you believe [FR] and [Fr.] are the same maker, viz. Friedländer? If not, which do you believe is Friedländer, and who do you think the other is? You don't have to have an answer, and I'm not challenging you -- honestly, I'm just confused what you believe at this point Trevor

Godet.

Hi Sascha, First, thank you for your reply. [FR] EKs don't have to be made by the same jeweler who made FR RAOs. FR RAOs (for example) could be (and likely are) by Friedländer, who marked his EKs [Fr.]. I too believe [FR] crosses are probably pre-1917, but we don't know this as far as I can tell. And even if they were pre-1917, we also don't know that Rothe could not have manufactured them for purchase in Austria. Let me be clear: I don't believe that [FR] EKs are by Rothe. But I think it's a door we can not yet close.

I agree, no problems with this cross, although the maker is unknown to me.

I agree, a bone stock KO core. They're always so flat and ugly

No problems, made by Wilh. Deumer Lüdenscheid.

Stettin? Yes of course. Stettin was lost only to the Poles and their Soviet masters after WWII.

Amazing Micha! I'm very jealous.

Thanks Micha! My question was three years old

This is most definitely no post WWII cross. It's a Weimar or early TR-era cross probably by Schauerte & Hohfeld, but possibly by Assmann & Sohn or Friedrich Linden.

Andy (Kraal) has one, or had one. He might have sold it by now.

Reverse. (It's so annoying that you can only upload such a limited file size per post here )

Hi Chris, Here is one of my favorite worn pieces. An AWS marked 925 with a repaired catch.

Hi Sascha, Do you think it is at all possible that [FR] is Rothe from Vienna? The crosses would of course have to be later ones, after 1917, or privately purchased luxury pieces for Austrian officers, who -- after all -- were awarded the EK1 in great numbers. I know the marks are not identical but they are certainly close stylistically. Thanks for your ideas. Best, Trevor

Next is an Unknown Maker. Jon thinks Juncker but I think more likely is another maker. Deumer has also been suggested because the datebox is a twin to Deumer's well-known design, and one was found attached to a Deumer EK1 to make a combo.

Hi Jim, Magnificent collection. Here's two missing. First a 2. Pattern Juncker L/12.

Since you've merged this thread with the buttonback thread, I will upload this little guide to period of manufacture for the buttonbacks. Please keep in mind that the dates shown below are broadly accurate, but approximate.

Very poor fake.

Hi guys, Is the current owner of this bar known? I would like to get in touch. PM would be fine. Thanks very much in advance, Trevor

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Here's a neat one.