Bob

Thanks for the article, I'm amazed at your ability to find such background materials! You must have a large library at home!

Sounds to me like a Georgian name (which is where the group also was shipped from) but still posting it in the Mongolian section because the majority of the items in the group are in fact Mongolian. Fingers crossed for research to get some background info! Documented group consists of: - Soviet Order of Red Banner - nr 561.653, awarded in 1970 - Mongolian Combat Order - nr 2.142, awarded in 1969 - and two Mongolian anniversary medals (one of the booklets is actually for a different medal which was not included) http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-679-0-71598800-1396526264.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-679-0-81453200-1396526323.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-679-0-97185800-1396526350.jpg

There is a seller currently listing some of the brass ribbon bars on eBay. I have a suspicion that it's the old fraud back again. Can't confirm it just yet, but suggest people are careful. His ebay name is temdegnaimaa and previously was batzo-2014 (he only had the profile under that name for one single day before changing it to something else; this can be seen using USER ID History on eBay). By the way, Batzo is the abbreviated first name of a person behind earlier mentioned fraudulent profiles... Red warning lights are flashing - be careful!

More pics - one with other senior Mongolian military colleagues (anybody can guess their names?) and another just with a close up of Jamyan's chest full of awards incl. 3 SB's http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-44992300-1396198262.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-75792500-1396198310.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-67989600-1396198400.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-77777500-1396198477.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-33055700-1396198749.jpg

Excellent background information - very interesting! Makes me almost wish I bought more documents and less orders/medals:)

Over on the Mongolia forum, I've posted a first piece of a bio on Sodnomdarjaa which I obtained from the 3 part book series with bio's on Mongolian Partisans. Hopefully I can get the Sodnomdarjaa chapter (4.5 pages) translated. It makes specific reference to Dambijantsan (who - literally - lost his head as a result of an assassination mission which included Sodnomdarjaa).

Weird, the scan isn't attaching - attempt two

Here an example of what I was easily able to find on Sodnomdarjaa in the big Partisan book. Just posting the first part of his bio, there's 4.5 pages of it (book 3, page 155) I will try to get this translated. Appreciate if somebody with better skills than me could transcribe names from other award documents in this thread. I'm happy to then look up the name in the book series and send scans of the bios.

What I need for research is names (ideally with pics, as the bio's in my book often have pics as well).

Finally finding the time to dig into the 3 book series with bio's on Partisans that I've had in my library for a long time. Already spotted a bio on Sodnomdarjaa (see below for a link on his background). Will post it here once translated. Believe I may have also found a bio for one of FJCP's Partisan's. http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/36164-1920s-order-of-the-red-banner/page-1 Probably a wealth of information in these books and will be spending more time in them the coming months to try to link bio's to award docs in my collection and others posted here. One of the interesting things I noticed is that there's also bio's of Russians in the book.

"Loyal to the party of Lenin and Stalin and the home. Politically and morally strengthened. Works very much / hard to improve his professional training, used special attention to the training of officers and other subordinates of his service unit. During the Patriotic War he organized well and properly on the reinforcement of the line of defense. All measures he fulfilled on time and on schedule."

thanks!

Not sure whether I posted this before. Cleaning up old emails and these pics popped up. I didn't appreciate the price which the dealer was quoting for this sword almost 10 years ago so passed on it which I obviously regret now... It's a Soviet cavalry sword with... something very familiar affixed to it. http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-71723500-1396001687.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-20387700-1396001703.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-34436600-1396001712.jpg

Let me revive this thread with something special. I was cleaning out my old emails and found pics of an international red cross award which had been offered for sale to me many, many years ago. I declined at the time and of course regret it now... It's an International Red Cross Florence Nightingale medal awarded during the 22nd bi-annual awarding cycle to Mrs. Danzangin Therma, Professional nurse. Senior nurse at the Surgical Department of the Central Army Hospital of the Mongolian People's Republic. She was only one of 33 people globally to receive this award during this cycle. These appear to be very, very rare. I've only ever seen other copies: - at a militaria fair (it was a medal awarded to an Albanian, and too costly for me) - in the war museum in Australia I have to say the design is very nice. "In its Circular No. 472 of August 23, 1968, the International Committee of the Red Cross had the honour to invite the Central Committees of National Societies to send in the names of nurses and voluntary aids whom they judged qualified to receive the Florence Nightingale Medal. This invitation, which quoted Article 1 of the Regulations, was accompanied by questionnaires bearing various headings for the candidatures. The first object of this Medal is to honour nurses and voluntary aids who have distinguished themselves exceptionally by their devotion to sick or wounded in the difficult and perilous situations which often prevail in times of war or public disasters. The Regulations also provide that a maximum number of 36 medals shall be awarded every two years and that the candidates' names must reach the International Committee of the Red Cross before March 1 of the year in which the distribution takes place. In accordance with these Regulations, the International Committee, after a careful study of the 38 files submitted by 25 National Societies, has the pleasure of announcing that for the Twentysecond Distribution the Medal has been awarded to the following nurses and voluntary aids.... etc etc." " The medals and diplomas, accompanied in each case by a photogravure reproduction of the portrait of Florence Nightingale, will be sent as quickly as possible to the Central Committees. The International Committee of the Red Cross would like to receive acknowledgments of their receipt in due course. The Committee would be grateful if the Medals could be presented in the course of this year and requests the Central Committees to give the ceremony a character of solemnity as the founders of this distinction desired. It would be pleased to publish in the International Review of the Red Cross an account-if possible with photographs-of the ceremony organized in this connection. It requests National Societies to send it the necessary material for such publication not later than the end of February 1970. The International Committee wishes also to call to mind that, in order to be able to assess the merits of candidates, it can only base itself upon reports submitted to it by the National Societies. These reports must therefore be as explicit as possible." http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-20039100-1396001122.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-55025300-1396001151.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-91795800-1396001175.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-45496800-1396001183.jpg

Just received a small group which I had managed to acquire at a recent auction: Lieutenant Colonel Papanov Leonid Fedorovich Comrade Papanov L.F. participated in the Hasan conflict against the Japanese in 1938, than served throughout the WWII, and finally fought the Japanese again in 1945. After the war, served as the division engineer of 376th Mountain Rifle Division, Turkestan Military District. Group comes with: Order of Lenin # 216831 (based on Echoes of War, awarded approximately late 1952) Order of Red Banner # 164539 (based on Echoes of War, probably awarded around 1947 - long service?) Order’s Book for the above orders (2 other awards listed, but are missing - see below) 1938 “Hasan” Badge with badge booklet Medal “For Victory over Japan” with corresponding medal certificate Supposed to also come with copies of official research from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, including award card (fully confirming his awards), and one citation. Unfortunately they were either lost in the mail or were forgotten to put in the package. I hope they will be found. Listed but missing: Order of Red Star with serial nr 953953 (based on Echoes of War, awarded 1944) 2nd class Order of Patriotic War with serial nr 459584 (based on Echoes of War, awarded approximately 1945) http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-11680200-1395952053.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-17580000-1395952109.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-78843600-1395952231.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-38840000-1395952249.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-79235100-1395952264.jpg

Would be great if a Russian speaker could take some of the key datapoints (especially from the scans of Russian archives about volume of awards manufactured there) and translate them here on the site.

Have taken a bit more time to walk through the book and also now able to post some pics. First off, it appears to offer a real wealth of information about Albanian awards and benefts from - what appears to be - a combination of Russian and Balkan based authors. 207 pages in total, unfortunately (for most of us) entirely in Russian: introduction pages (incl. an undoubtedly interesting section discussing parallels between Albanian and e.g. Soviet award system quote a lot of (color) photographs to liven things up extensive and directionally exhaustive review of all familiar orders/medals with their different types, and based on the quantity of text there surely must be (I hope) more information included here than known before various pages with interesting lists AND... probably the most valuable piece of the book... scans of documents from the Soviet archives, I suspect about the purchase by Albania from the Russian mint of the earlier, Russian made, orders/medals... including information on quantities (produced, not awarded)... wish I could read Russian! also a rarity or price guide which provides a useful indication of which orders/medals all include a USSR made variant and finally bibliography, etc. All in all a book which appears to be pretty thorough and detailed and with probably interesting information contained in it... for the Russian reader! http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-99086200-1395869810.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-39335100-1395869835.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-26435600-1395869850.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-07799200-1395869867.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-42409700-1395869881.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-90076000-1395869897.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-42612500-1395869917.jpghttp://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-679-0-72705500-1395869932.jpg

Additional info on Dorj Batkhuyag who was awarded SB nr 695 =================== DECREE OF THE PRESIDIUM OF THE PEOPLE’S GREAT KHURAL OF THE MONGOLIAN PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC December 18, 1969. # 269, Ulaanbaatar On awarding some employees, workers and herders of the agricultural unions with Orders and Medals The Presidium of the People’s Great Khural decrees: On the occasion of the 10th anniversary of agricultural unification movement, to award the following employees, workers and herders with the orders and medals for the outstanding labor achievements. The Order of Sukhbaatar 1. Dorj Bathuyag Director of “Galuut” agricultural union, Tsagaan-Ovoo county, Dornod province 2. Lodoi Samdan Camel breeder of “Hudulmur” agricultural union, Khalzan county, Sukhbaatar province 3. Mur Tserendorj Camel breeder of “Sukhbaatar’s Flag” agricultural union, Gurvanbulag county, Bulgan province 4. Choinjuurin Luvsan Sheep herder of “Bayasgalant” agricultural union, Munhhaan county, Sukhbaatar province (Hero of Labor of MPR) 5. Zundui Ochir Sheep herder of “Lenin’s path” agricultural union, Khishig-Undur county, Bulgan province (Hero of Labor of MPR) 6. Sonomtseveen Tsogtgerel Sheep herder of “Hugjil” agricultural union, Darvi county, Khovd province (Hero of Labor of MPR)

Photo of Jamyan greeting partisans. Slightly different angle of a similar photo already posted some time ago.

Photo of General Jamyan alongside with Tsedenbal and other army leaders. 1979.

Photo of Sodnomdarjaa, future marshal Demid, future Marshal Choibalsan and partisan Demberel. The photo was probably taken in 1931 after all four of these comrades were awarded the Soviet red banners.

http://www.insellbooks.com/books/1654121.html "This book is the first Russian-language edition of the award system by one of the most neglected countries in Europe - Albania. It is the result of many years of studying reward system Albanian communist period. In it, as the background of the premium system, a brief historical sketch. Awards described in some way unique in that for nearly half a century of existence of the same medals were produced alternately in the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Poland and Albania itself. The book is an analysis of evidence for the identification awards made in those countries. Besides the description of awards, given by the head of the investigation of the role of Yugoslavia in the premium system in Albania. Shows the degree of influence on the premium system unchallenged leader of the communist country's Enver Hoxha. The application received a great informational material, including the original documents on the manufacture of awards in the USSR, indicate broad collection costs awards to date." Cost me 25 USD to get it to Germany via online order. 207 pages, color pics, not a "huge" format book, but I do suspect there's a ton of info in here (for those with Russian skills...) which is not yet known on this forum.

By coincidence, I just received the 'new' book on Albanian awards which I was referring to. Unfortunately I don't speak Russian (and also unfortunately the authors appear to have ripped off pictures from this - and other? - online forums... incl. MY pictures) but there really does appear to be a wealth of information in this book incl. items I've not seen before, comparison to award systems of other communist countries, scans of Russian (?) archive materials regarding quantity of Albanian awards produced, etc. Will review the book a bit longer in coming days.

Eric Schena's PDF book had some directional estimates but they may in fact be inaccurate. Probably the most accurate records will be available for Soviet produced awards. I have a Russian book on Albanian awards coming my way and suspect it may contain some directional info on this. Also, the type 1 Skanderbeg 3rd class (ie the one with serial nr on reverse) probably has a directional indication of 1000 or so

I honestly wish there was more activity on this forum. Anyway, plan to get my entire collection out of storage and do a complete recatalogueing, probably in june, will tale a week off from work for that. Who knows what i may find with a fresh and more knowledgeable pair of eyes looking at my old items.