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Argh, I missed this auction...Could you inform us about the result? It was a typical silver cross, made by Carl Büsch, Hannover...a earlier one. By the way, my cross (as shown below) has also a weight of 31.1 grams Best regards Roman

I found it...but I wouldn´t add this medal to my own collection :unsure:

Dear Matthew, I have never seen such a medal. All I know are made of real silver. All three known manufacturers (Büsch, Godet and Zimmermann) used silver. Do you have a picture from such a medal? BR Roman

Good luck...Lippe isn´t easy to find...especially the really rare ones, like the Leopoldorden or the upper classes of the house-order. BR Roman

Haha, infected by the Lippe-Detmold fever? The Leopold order merit medals were awarded for both (civil and military merit). For example a have a medalbar of a "Bezirksfeldwebel" with the silver medal and documents for a (civil) "Lakai". But it is more linked to a civil merit and therefore all Leopold-orders of all classes were never awarded with swords. BR Roman

By the way...until today I wasn´t able to ID this bar, although I have the IC2-list and the award-list of the Detmold merit medal... ...too many possible candidates! BR Roman

Please be sure, this medalbar is making me crazy. When it came, there were only the merit medal Lippe-Detmold and the clasps mounted. Now I restored it and added everything, which was missing. But the long service award 1st class old style for 21 years (Prussia) at the end of the bar is making me crazy. Although it isn´t a big investment, I wasn´t able yet to find one suitable... If anyone has two of it.... Best regards Roman

Dear Matthew, I have only one single one. The other one is mounted on a very old medalbar with IC 1870 2nd class with oakleaves :-P BR Roman

Upps, I saw this topic too late. IMO it was a original but worn merit medal. I also placed also a bid on it, but not that much, because I already have two You also may compare it with the one on my website ( http://www.hausorden.de/zivile-auszeichn-vm.html ) Best regards Roman

Also an interesting piece...never seen before. It seems, that the lack of raw material the manufacturers forced to try some other materials ;-) Best regards Roman

Upps, it seems, that the eagle disappeared...now I attached the pictures again. Best regards Roman

Iron cross 2nd class 1914 Lippe-Detmold house-order with swords (4th class, 3rd class, officers cross, 2nd class (?) or 1st class (?) ). Lippe-Detmold war merit cross (combatant´s ribbon) Lippe-Detmold law-suit medal 1905

Hmm, of course I already know this nice ribbon-bar. But I won´t agree to Bernhard zur Lippe-Biesterfeld at all! The 2nd ribbon can be all classes of the house-order with swords incl. the officer´s cross. Where is the hint of the Prince? Are the swords made of gold? Best regards Roman

Hello, actually I´m searching on any information on the attached eagle. It is definitely not an Imperial German one, but from does it come and for what was it for? It looks similar to the American eagle, but I´m not sure. Does anyone have an idea? The sizes are 63 mm x 32 mm, the material should be bronze. At its back you can find two screws to fix it (on what?). The clutches are holding clutches and a bay bough. Thank you for your help! Best regards Roman

Hello, actually I´m searching on any information on the attached eagle. It is definitely not an Imperial German one, but from does it come and for what was it for? It looks similar to the Amrican eagle, nbut I´m not sure. Does anyone have an idea? The sizes are 63 mm x 32 mm, the material should be bronze. At its back you can find two screws to fix it (on what?). The clutches are holding clutches and a bay bough. Thank you for your help! Best regards Roman

Perfect explanation from Dave. Indeed the MVM was the lesser award and the former owner got it before the crosses. But even the "Hofmarschallamt Lippe-Detmold" wasn´t sure about the return of the medal after awarding the military merit cross, so they asked in a letter the Militaerkabinett in 1917 about this and the Kabinett released this regulation, which explained officially (again). Around 50 % of the merit medal with swords on it were returned, which makes this medal even more rare. By the way, according to its stautes, it wasn´t allowed to wear the ribbon without the medal (for example on a ribbon bar) Greetings Roman

..not only from the wording...of course, it shows the war merit cross Lippe-Detmold, too. And as far as I know, it is the only multi-colored document from Lippe-Detmold. The other award documents have max. two colors (like the one for the war honour medal, which is green and black). Best regards Roman

A late reply, but not too late :-) This man was from Lippe-Detmold, as written on that document. He was from "Ehrsen", a part of the town Bad Salzuflen, which is located in Lippe-Detmold. And that´s the reason, why this certificate was prepared. By the way, these certificates are very rare, I only know a 2nd one. I still don´t know for what these certificates were prepared...maybe for heroic deeds and special honour. Best regards Roman

Aaaah...that makes it even more difficult I´m not sure, if the red-cross medal is the right type...I would prefer the steel-version. Regarding the combantant-ribbon from Lippe-Detmold (2nd position) the war honour medal and the war merit cross are possible. No idea which one would fit better, but I prefer the war merit medal. Best regards Roman

Thank you...it was a great honour for me in Konstanz The identification isn´t easy. The honour cross is the only hint. May I have a good scan of the front center (with the rose)? Maybe the manufacturer helps to ID it. Best regards Roman

I would agree...a possible explanation. But nevertheless it is a unusual bar with a unique combination. Nice... Best regards Roman

I won´t be easy to find a photo of him...I will keep an eye open for any photo... Best regards Roman

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...only a distant relative. By the way Ferdinand zur Lippe-Weissenfeld was killed in action near Lublin, Poland on 26 September 1939. Last year I had the chance to buy some photos of him on ebay. This one is showing is car, in which he was shot. The photos are showing him with some other soldiers, shortly before he died and his burial. If you wish, I can show you the complete group in a extra thread. Best regards Roman

Hi folks, here is something, you won´t find twice Please regard the date of awarding and who this 1st class of the house-order Lippe-Detmold got. This piece of paper belongs to a group of documents, I got a few years ago... Best regards Roman