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Upps, I saw this topic too late. IMO it was a original but worn merit medal. I also placed also a bid on it, but not that much, because I already have two You also may compare it with the one on my website ( http://www.hausorden.de/zivile-auszeichn-vm.html ) Best regards Roman

Also an interesting piece...never seen before. It seems, that the lack of raw material the manufacturers forced to try some other materials ;-) Best regards Roman

Upps, it seems, that the eagle disappeared...now I attached the pictures again. Best regards Roman

Iron cross 2nd class 1914 Lippe-Detmold house-order with swords (4th class, 3rd class, officers cross, 2nd class (?) or 1st class (?) ). Lippe-Detmold war merit cross (combatant´s ribbon) Lippe-Detmold law-suit medal 1905

Hmm, of course I already know this nice ribbon-bar. But I won´t agree to Bernhard zur Lippe-Biesterfeld at all! The 2nd ribbon can be all classes of the house-order with swords incl. the officer´s cross. Where is the hint of the Prince? Are the swords made of gold? Best regards Roman

Hello, actually I´m searching on any information on the attached eagle. It is definitely not an Imperial German one, but from does it come and for what was it for? It looks similar to the American eagle, but I´m not sure. Does anyone have an idea? The sizes are 63 mm x 32 mm, the material should be bronze. At its back you can find two screws to fix it (on what?). The clutches are holding clutches and a bay bough. Thank you for your help! Best regards Roman

Hello, actually I´m searching on any information on the attached eagle. It is definitely not an Imperial German one, but from does it come and for what was it for? It looks similar to the Amrican eagle, nbut I´m not sure. Does anyone have an idea? The sizes are 63 mm x 32 mm, the material should be bronze. At its back you can find two screws to fix it (on what?). The clutches are holding clutches and a bay bough. Thank you for your help! Best regards Roman

Perfect explanation from Dave. Indeed the MVM was the lesser award and the former owner got it before the crosses. But even the "Hofmarschallamt Lippe-Detmold" wasn´t sure about the return of the medal after awarding the military merit cross, so they asked in a letter the Militaerkabinett in 1917 about this and the Kabinett released this regulation, which explained officially (again). Around 50 % of the merit medal with swords on it were returned, which makes this medal even more rare. By the way, according to its stautes, it wasn´t allowed to wear the ribbon without the medal (for example on a ribbon bar) Greetings Roman

..not only from the wording...of course, it shows the war merit cross Lippe-Detmold, too. And as far as I know, it is the only multi-colored document from Lippe-Detmold. The other award documents have max. two colors (like the one for the war honour medal, which is green and black). Best regards Roman

A late reply, but not too late :-) This man was from Lippe-Detmold, as written on that document. He was from "Ehrsen", a part of the town Bad Salzuflen, which is located in Lippe-Detmold. And that´s the reason, why this certificate was prepared. By the way, these certificates are very rare, I only know a 2nd one. I still don´t know for what these certificates were prepared...maybe for heroic deeds and special honour. Best regards Roman

Aaaah...that makes it even more difficult I´m not sure, if the red-cross medal is the right type...I would prefer the steel-version. Regarding the combantant-ribbon from Lippe-Detmold (2nd position) the war honour medal and the war merit cross are possible. No idea which one would fit better, but I prefer the war merit medal. Best regards Roman

Thank you...it was a great honour for me in Konstanz The identification isn´t easy. The honour cross is the only hint. May I have a good scan of the front center (with the rose)? Maybe the manufacturer helps to ID it. Best regards Roman

I would agree...a possible explanation. But nevertheless it is a unusual bar with a unique combination. Nice... Best regards Roman

I won´t be easy to find a photo of him...I will keep an eye open for any photo... Best regards Roman

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...only a distant relative. By the way Ferdinand zur Lippe-Weissenfeld was killed in action near Lublin, Poland on 26 September 1939. Last year I had the chance to buy some photos of him on ebay. This one is showing is car, in which he was shot. The photos are showing him with some other soldiers, shortly before he died and his burial. If you wish, I can show you the complete group in a extra thread. Best regards Roman

Hi folks, here is something, you won´t find twice Please regard the date of awarding and who this 1st class of the house-order Lippe-Detmold got. This piece of paper belongs to a group of documents, I got a few years ago... Best regards Roman

The same sources, my dear friend Rick uses Additionally, I´m living about 30 km away from Detmold and its archive and I digitalized the 1897-medal-awardlist for Rick. So I quite know, what I´m talking about... Best regards Roman

I found one person, who could match to this medalbar (Sergeant IR 55 / 10th comp.). My lists confirm all awards on that medalbar, but he got later (in 1905) two additional awards from Lippe-Detmold, which are not at the medalbar. Either this is his medalbar before 1905 or I have to search for another person. Please give me some additional time to re-check everything. Best regards Roman

Who is calling me???? Of course, Lammers got the Lippe-Detmold house-order 2nd class AFTER 1918...and Mr. Nimmergut had a wrong information. Lippe-Detmold spent its award (especially the house-order) until 1933, mostly awarded by familiy members of the prince or early supporters of the nationalsocialsts! The actual prince of Lippe-Detmold has in his private archive an extra awardlist for those late awards. Attached I´m showing you such a late award (to a member of the prince´s family). Best regards Roman

The Lippe-award is the only "real" civil award on the medalbar. Due to this, it is mounted at the correct position. By the way the owner should have been a Sergeant in the I.R. No.55 (10th comp.) Best regards Roman

:shame: A nice Lippe-medalbar, which is NOT in my collection???? Indeed a ver nice medalbar...congratulations! BUT.... At the last position is a wrong medal mounted. In my opinion the ribbon belongs to a 1897-medal of Lippe Detmold "Erinnungsmedaille an den Einzug des Grafregenten Ernst". According to the other awards on the medalbar this 1897-medal is the most possible one, too. Best regards Roman

...and some minis :rolleyes:

...my contribution to this nice theme...

Nice project! Attached I?m showing a copy of the original signed receipt for the cross for heroic deeds lippe-Detmold. Manfred v. Richthofen listed his awards (until 23 October 1917). Best regards Roman