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Lippe House Order (Fürstlich Lippischer Hausorden), Cross of Honour (Ehrenkreuz) 2nd Class (LH.EK2/LH2) On 26th June 1894, but the 1st class from Schaumburg-Lippe´s side...no award from Detmold´s side.

Hello gents, as I didn´t show anything for a long time, I will present a small group, I got last year and which I haven´t shown yet. Actually it seems that there is not much Lippe-Detmold around in the market... Fritz (Friedrich) Carl Emil Josef von und zu Gilsa born 23rd June 1848 in Wetzlar as the son of Generalmajor a.D. Friedrich Wilhelm von und zu Gilsa died 19th July 1884 near Altbreisach accidently by falling from a railwaybridge (during topographical works). Military career: Musketier in the IR No.55 on 6th September 1867 Sekondelieutnant on 9th February 1869 Adjudant 1st Bat. IR 55 17th April 1872 Premierlieutnant 17th October 1876 Kriegsakademie 1st October 1880 - July 1883 detailed to "Grossen Generalstab" since 1st May 1884 Awards: Prussia Iron cross 2nd class 1870 on 19th January 1873 Lippe-Detmold house-order 3rd class (old type) on 15th October 1878 Hope you like it... BR Roman

Hello gents, this little medalbar came naked without medals and crosses. Lukily I had the missing awards in my collection, so it is "redressed" now again. On the bar you find: -Lippe-Detmold war merit cross - Hindenburg-cross - Lippe-Detmold bronze merit medal Leopold-order ( 335 awards in total ) Here are my assumptions, which probably made an identification possible: The ribbonbar of the war merit cross is definitely a very early one, used until 1915. The red stripe is pink-coloured and the yellow stripe is more orange than yellow. The combination is quite unique as he first served as soldier, awarding the war merit cross but surprisingly no iron cross (the Hindenburg-cross is the 2nd evidence for his military career). Likely, that the owner left the army during war and should be an older person, as there is also no long-service medal. The merit medals of the Leopold-order were usually given to private persons, such as teachers, servants and comparable "lower class" positioned persons in the society. On top I assumed that the award of the merit medal must be a late one, as no other awards from Lippe-Detmold are on the medalbar. Therefore I added the last model of the Bronze medal to the bar, produced by C.F. Zimmermann. Now I checked all 335 receipts for the Bronze medal and I only found one candidate, who had the war merit cross (without iron cross!) and a late award of the Bronze medal. In addition he was in 1914 already 45 years old (!!!). Simon Bültemeier (born 25th September 1869 in Kalldorf, Lippe-Detmold) got the Bronze medal on 11th November 1918 (!) as No. 312 of the list. His profession was "Waldarbeiter" (working in the forest) and he listed except the war merit cross no other award. For me Simon Bültemeier is most likely the former owner of this small bar 🙂 Best regards Roman

Yes, fully agree.

On 11th November 1918 Kurt Wittje listed the following other awards in his receipt for the LDH4bX: IC 1st class IC 2nd class Lippe-Detmold war merit cross for heroic deeds Lippe-Detmold war merit cross Hamburg hanseatic cross At his medal bar I see: IC 2nd Class Lippe-Detmold house order 4th class Type B with swords Lippe-Detmold war merit cross Hamburg hanseatic cross Kyffhäuser medal Hungary war memorial medal And at his breast I see: IC 1st class Lippe-Detmold war merit cross for heroic deeds wound badge in black and the mentioned Hamburg Feldehrenzeichen...

Hello gents, this nice little lot recently found its way in my collection: Award document for the iron cross 2nd class 1870 from 19th January 1873 Award document for the common house order 3rd class Lippe-Detmold & Schaumburg-Lippe from 15th October 1878 Lippe-Detmold House order 3rd class (common award of Detmold & Schaumburg with chiffre LA) The cross and order were awarded by Fritz Karl Emil Josef von und zu Gilsa born 23th June 1848 in Wetzlar killed in an accident on 19th July 1884 near Altbreisach (falling from a railway bridge) Fritz von und zu Gilsa military career: - Musketier 6th September 1867 in the infantery-regiment No. 55 - Sekondelieutnant 9th June 1869 in the infantery-regiment No. 55 - Premierlieutnant 17th October 1876 - since 1st October 1880 sent to war academy - since 1st May 1884 sent to “Großer Generalstab” in Berlin Most likely those two awards were the only ones of Fritz von und zu Gilsa, due to his fatal accident in 1884. Comments are always welcome. Best regards Roman

Nice little fellow and indeed quite rare (long time ago another collector and me were writing an article about the Militairverdienstmedaille Lippe-Detmold). Attached you find a suitable award document for such a medal without swords (awarded by the music-director of the infantery-regiment No. 55 Vizefeldwebel Gustav Wöhe) and the statues of this medal. Best regards Roman

If you need a picture of a Friedrichshafen F33 (No. 824) for your website, just let me know. I have one, made by my great-grandfather. BR Roman

Around 1.116 crosses "am Band für Heimatverdienste" (white ribbon) are correct. Below you will find two additional examples and a miniature-chain, for sure also with a cross for non-combatants. Does anyone have the according award document? I´m still looking for one, somehow they do not appear on the market. BR Roman

At the front....

I will have to look it up...shouldn´t be difficult to find out. I also assume that it was connected to a Kaisermanöver... Prince Franz von Bayern became a house-order 1st class Lippe-Detmold on 20th November 1909....maybe this was somehow connected. Edit: There were some fitting additional awards on that day: Stefan Reichlin von Meldegg, Adjudant of Prince Franz von Bayern received a house-order 4th class Maximilian Zeller, Generalmajor of the Königl. Bayr. 2nd Kavallerie-Brigade got a 2nd class with oakleaves and additionally two people connected to the kingdom Saxony got awarded, too.

Here is a medalbar, which fits perfectly to this topic... Ferdinand Metzte´s medalbar I introduced in detail here

Hi folks, I want to add another "award" Prince Leopold IV. became, but he was never wearing: Bayern Erinnerungsabzeichen an die goldene Hochzeit 1918 Attached you will find the picture of his original award.

Hi Dave, according to the name, this should be the son of the Flügeladjudant Lippe-Detmold Oldwig von Natzmer. BR Roman

Correct, mea culpa...he wrote u.s.w. ...but at the end the message is the same ?

Yes, he got the Kriegervereinskreuz on 30th May 1916 as No. 196 of the rolls. On this receipt he was more engaged and listed all awards he received so far. Butt it seems that at least until 1916 he didn´t receive the iron cross 1st class...

Haha, good question...I checked his receipt for the Lippe-Detmold house order 2ns class with swords at the ring, which he awarded on 30th May 1918....Oldwig von Natzmer was a quite lazy guy and listed under "other awards" just these three (quite strange) awards: -Kriegsverdienstkreuz -LD HO X (Lippe-Detmold house order with swords ???. class) -Kriegsverdienstkreuz (which one???) I also have another picture of him (see screenshot), but on the picture there is no award visible. I´m quite sure, von Natzmer received am EK 1st class, but I have no proof for it. Aaaah, the entry LD HO X must be Lippe-Detmold officer´s cross with swords, which he received on 17th Febraury 1917. A look on his receipt for the officer´s cross with swords didn´t provide any additional information. Von Natzmer was quite lazy to list all of his awards...he just listed: - EK 2 = iron cross 2nd class - Fürstl. Lippisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz - R.A. 4 = red eagle order 4th class - Fürstl. Lipp. Kriegsverdienstkreuz (???) - u.v.m ( = and many more)

Good question, unfortunately there is no date marked on the back of this picture. I will check again, when I´m back home....maybe I will find some additional information in my books. By the way, the 2nd person person on the left side of the Fürst (you just can see his head in the background) is Oldwig von Natzmer, Leopold´s Flügeladjudant...I have his ribbonbar in my collection ? )

One last point to add regarding Leopold IV. He also became "Ehrendoktor" (doctor honoris causae) of the university Erlangen. Below you will find a picture of him in between of the professors of the university....

@Deutschritter I went again through all the photos and I discovered a phote from around 1936, on which I see three hanseatic crosses in the middle of his medalbar, not previously mentioned... So I would like to add to Leopold IV.´s awards as well Lübeck Hanseatenkreuz Bremen Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg Hanseatenkreuz Do you agree?

Yes, I confirm...by the way I also have a photo (and it is the only one out of the 120 I have), showing Prince Leopold IV. wearing a minature-chain from around 1899. Unfortunately the angle from which the photo was taken, doesn´t allow a identification of the miniatures, but I´m quite sure, it isn´t the chain, offered actually by Weitze.

Regarding the Johanniter-order, I have another very rare and interesting photo of Leopold IV.´s father, Grafregent Ernst zur Lippe-Biesterfeld...enjoy! @Deutschritter BTW, in your list one order is missing: Lippe-Detmold Goldene Verdienstmedaille, which he is wearing at the medalbar.

I didn´t know the exact English translation for "Lippe-Detmold Leopoldorden Inhaberkreuz" ... Quite strange, that he was wearing it beside the 2nd class of the Leopold order... There is one very interesting point on the cross, he is wearing. According to the photo he was wearing a "Spangenstück" instead of the official awarded version, as shown below ? Regarding the Sachsen-Ernestinischer Hausorden Bruststern, I found in my collection another, better photo from 1902. At that time (not ruling yet the principality Lippe-Detmold) he was already wearing the SEHO breast-star and Albrecht-order...

Thanks for the identification...that fits!

6th photo in uniform of th 12th hunter-regiment KuK army medalbar: Prussia iron-cross 2nd class Lippe-Detmold war merit cross Austria ? Turkey golden Liakat medal Turkey silver Liakat medal Lippe-Detmold memorial medal 1897 Lippe-Detmold memorial medal 1905 Lippe-Detmold combatant´s association cross Prussia centenar medal unknown breast-star Austria breast star Here I need some help with the Austrian orders....