Herman

I don't know if this is allowed, but this one is for sale on the Dutch internetsite www.marktplaats.nl. Type in the word medaille and it will show in the list. I thought it is an awesome collection on the ribbon. BTW: I am not the seller.

Obverse an reverse of the ek1914. The top arm of the cross is a bit off angle. The magnetic core is loose in the silver rim. The white of the ribbon does not glow in UV. (neither the 1939 and 1957). regards Herman

obverse and reverse ek2 1957 The cross is not magnetic and the core is painted which shows on the rim.

And right again Danny, My EK2 shows the die flaw at the 4 o'clock position very clearly on both sides of the cross. Also the teeth-like marks for retooling the dies appear at the left arm of the cross (9 o'clock position) on both sides of the cross. I bought this cross some 4 years ago together with a paper envelope, which is presumably fake aswell. In the same purchase there were also a 1914 ek2 and a 1957 ek2. The 1914 and the 1957 have no marking on the ring. I paid EUR 125,- and was assured that all ek's were genuine. As German medals are not my speciality i took the vendors word for granted. I shall post some pictures of these items. Question for Danny: How do you know all these details? Are you collecting iron crosses for years and years and build a comprehensive knowledge of the crosses?

Whoa, you guys are good..... and quick. After checking the marking on the ring it is indeed reading 333. The second 1 in 1813 is indeed missing a chunk in the right top. The beading edge flaw i do not find. As a novice to these items i have a question for Danny70. Is the 333 fake a restrike or just a fake to fool the collectors? Thanks again for the quick help. You guys really have an eye for the details. Herman

Perhaps a bit better ?!?

Hi experts, I hope the photo's are sufficient enough to give an opinion if it is fake or real. And perhaps a maker?? Thanks in advance. regards Herman

Hi Makedon, The red and black badge is of the US 7th Infantry Division 'Sight-Seeing'. The patch represents two crossed number 7's, one inverted. In WW2 they fought at Attu, Kwajalein, Leyte and Okinawa. So in the picture there are 2 separate US Infantry Division badges; the 3rd and the 7th. The correct appearance of the badge of the 3rd is starting with the color blue in the upper left corner of the badge. Both divisions saw extensive combat in Korea. It is very interesting to see the first type of the Korean War Medal. I didn't even know that it existed..... A nice detailed photo of it, obverse and reverse, would be nice. I just checked "The forgotten war"written by Clay Blair on the Greeks. It says that in december 1950 a Greek bataillon of approx. 1000 men was added to the 7th US Cavalry Regiment of the 1st US Cavalry Division. Their Batcdr was Dionyssios G. Arbouzis. In 1974 he was a Greek 4 star general commanding the Greek Army. Thx and regards Herman

The crossed swords is the military division of this order. They do around double or triple the amount than a civilian version. The medals (the 2 versions on the right of my picture) are still quite cheap in the military swords division. A Grand cross and breast star with the swords can go for around eur 2000,- A Commanders cross will do around 600 euro. It depend on what the market will give for it. They are scarce. By the way, a fresh rosette can be obtained for your cross with the Dutch firm van Wielik in the Hague. Just type in www.vanwielik.com and you found them. Please be aware that the orange in the current version is a bit more orange than yelloworange. Please see the difference in my picture of the female officers cross compared with the others. Good luck Herman

Hello Ramon, If you see the marking of a circular attachment on the ribbon and the cross and crown have a golden residue, than you have a Officer instead of a Knight in this order. The size of the cross is the same for both (around 44 mm). All higher awards of this Order (Commander, Grand Officer and Grand Cross) have a bigger cross (over 62 mm). I attach a picture of my small collection. At the left their is a female officer with indeed a rosette on the ribbon. regards Herman

in detail. The best quality i can do with a mx of 70 kb. And my final question: Whats the value of this group?? Good luck, Herman

the backside

Hello experts, Can you please supply me with your opinions? The medals are: 1. Eisernes Kreuz 1914, 2e klasse 2. Roter Adler-Orden, 4. Modell (mit ziegelrotem Adler – 1854-1918), Kreuz 4. Klasse, auf dem Rand des unteren Kreuzarms Ritzmarke “N”; 3 Koniglicher Kronen- Orden 4 1914-1918 fur Frontkampfer auf der Ruckseite Herstellerbezeichnung “F en Co.” 5 Offiziers-Dienstauszeichnung fur 25 Dienstjahre, Aus fuhrung mit gekornten Armen 6. Centenarmedaille 1897. Thanks in advance Best regards Herman

Hi OvBacon, the cross is pre seventies because on the backside the text is written as: 'God ZY met ons' instead off 'God ZIJ met ons' . (God be with us). Till about 1972 the ZY version was issued. The Oranje Nassau order itself was instituted in 1892. For the moment thats the best i can do for you. Herman

Thanks Erik, didn't know that. There are some Dutch soldiers who claim they got a CIB in Iraq, but that is questionable. See the Dutch onderscheidingenforum for that. regards Herman

Thanks Brett, Here is another picture. This is a group of a Dutch NCO, Opperwachtmeester KMAR (sergeant-major of the military police) G.H. Delahye who got a Korean medal, the Wharang for his service in Korea from jan 1953 to jan 1954. His group is in the collection of the Marechaussee museum at Buren, the Netherlands. His medals are: Dutch mobilisation cross for WW2, Dutch Korea medal (no bar), Long service medal for 12 years, UN Korea medal, Korean Wharang and Korean War Service medal. greetings Herman

and a more modern one !

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and how about this Dutch group ?

Hello, here is the Dutch trio i have. The extra bar for a second tour in Korea is separate. Herman

Members of the Dutch Infantry Bataillon were awarded the US Combat Infantryman Badge. They were indeed serving as part of the 38th Infantry Regiment of the 2nd US Infantry Division in Korea from 1951-1953. I have seen dozens and dozens of our Korean veterans wearing them and i have seen copies of the 38th IR Regimental Orders awarding CIBs to members of the Dutch Bataillon. Surviving Dutch veterans of the Korean War served till the mid eighties in the Dutch army. The Dutch also got awarded some Silver Stars, Legions of Merit, Bronze Stars and Purple Hearts. In 2007 a whole Dutch Para Company got awarded the US CIB again service in South Afghanistan. They were the first Dutch soldiers since Korea. Said all that . How did the Prince got his star on the CIB for the second award ?!?!? Vietnam ?!?!? And how did he get his US freefall wing. This wing was instituted when he was retired.... Herman

Hello, First i would like to congratulate Paul with his great find. Triggered by some posts i did a google search for pictures of the General with his medal bar and/or ribbon bar and found exactly one blurry picture of him wearing his ribbon bar. As he is wearing his spange to his EK1 and no Knightcross the date of the picture is between oktober 1939 and july 1941. He is not wearing his EK2 with spange in the first picture. The second picture is between the same dates, but this time he is wearing the EK2 with spange. Both pictures are from the axishistory pages. After examining dozens of photos of him i must say that he really fancied his leather overcoat. Paul, you really did a great finding. regards Herman

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