Netherlands Dutch Carte de Visite's

[ErikMuller]

I cropped down the image to make it smaller. The outer rim of this CDV wasn't really interesting actually, since there was no stamp of the photographer.

The person on this picture is Jean Henri Idesbad le Cocq d'Armandville.

He was awarded the Knight 4th class of the Military Order of Willem by Royal Decree of 28 September 1899 No. 43 as a First Lieutenant of Infantry of the Royal Netherlands Indies Army, for: "distinguished himself during the war actions at the North- and East Coast of Atchin during the period from 1 June till 25 October 1898."

He was born in Maastricht on 25 January 1879. He followed his military training at the Royal Military Academy in Breda and was appointed Second Lieutenant of Infantry on 24 July 1893. On 23 October 1893 he transfered to the Royal Netherlands Indies Army and on 23 March 1907 was promoted to First Lieutenant. In 1900 he transfered to the Marechaussee. Promotions followed: Captain (16 June 1906), Major (9 March 1916), Lieutenant-Colonel (3 February 1919), Colonel (26 August 1922), Major-General (1924) until he retired in 1926.

He taught at the Higher War College from 1902 to 1905. From 1909 till 1910 he was civil and military commander of Malili (Celebes). Afterwards he lead an expedition through Southern New-Guinea. In 1911 he transfered from the Marechaussee to the General Staff. From 1916-1918 he served in the Standing Army in the Netherlands and later became Regional Military Commander in the Southern- and Eastern Department of Borneo. As a Major-General he was head of the 2nd Department of the Ministry of War. He died in February, 1942

Besides the Military Order of William he received the following decorations:

Knight in the Order of the Netherlands Lion (1926)

Expedition Cross with the clasps 'Atchin 1896-1900', 'Atchin 1901-1905' and 'South-Celebes 1905-1908'

Officer's Long Service Cross with numberal 'XXV'

Mobilisation Cross 1914-1918

Commander in the Order of the Crown of Belgium

Knight of the Legion of Honor of France (1931)

Sources:

"De Militaire Willemsorde 1815-1940", by G.C.E. K?ffler, p. 161

"Moed Beleid Trouw", 1940, without author, p. 418

"De Nederlandsche Ridderorden 1900-1936", by W. Baron Snouckaert van Schauburg and others, p. 86-87

"Naam- en Ranglijst der Officieren van het Nederlandsche Leger en van dat in Nederlandsch-Oost-Indi?, alsmede van de Landmacht in West-Indi?", 1900, without author, p. 340

"Naam- en Ranglijst der Officieren van het Nederlandsche Leger en van dat in Nederlandsch-Indi?", 1923, without author, p. 623 & 628

Edited January 8, 2007 by ErikMuller

[Djedj]

Thanks again to all - with your outstanding help that gentleman has regained much of his identity

This is all duly recorded here :

http://www.hussards-photos.com/PaysBas/Pay...t_VanVessem.htm

Meileures salutations,

J?r?me

Edited January 8, 2007 by Djedj

[Jacky]

At the above mentioned website, which I surely have enjoyed!!, I found also this picture....

Isn't the upper one the grandcross of the military order of William

the other one is really over flashed but could one perhaps shed a light ( ) to it's identy??

Kind regards,

Jacky

[ErikMuller]

At the above mentioned website, which I surely have enjoyed!!, I found also this picture....

Isn't the upper one the grandcross of the military order of William

the other one is really over flashed but could one perhaps shed a light ( ) to it's identy??

Kind regards,

Jacky

My guess: King William III...

[Jacky]

Hello Eric,

Yes I think it's him too, but I meant the over-flashed breast star below the grandcross of the Military order of William....

Could be the Netherlands lion, but could also be the order of the golden lion of nassau... Perhaps could you identify this breast star??

Kind regards,

Jacky

[Herr General]

MWO recipient and North pole explorer

Born Utrecht - 25 august 1849

Died Nijmegen - 2 april 1917

Knight 4th class in the Military Order of William

For actions on the coast of Guinea 1869-1870'

Knight in the order of the Dutch Lion

Honorable Mention

De Ruyter medal in Gold

Medal for important war operations with the following clasps: Guinea 1869-1870 - Deli 1872 - Atjeh 1873-1874 - Atjeh 1873-1896 en Atjeh 1896-1900

Atjeh medal 1873-1874

Officers long service award for 30 years of service

Bronze coin for the inauguration of Queen Wilhelmina in 1898

Commander in the Leopoldsorder of Belgium

Edited January 31, 2007 by Herr General

[Roeland]

isn't CDV 4 perhaps a major?

[Kev in Deva]

Hallo Gents,

Seems to be an interesting thread, BUT I can't see the following pictures, when I look at these pages:

CDV- 1 - 2 - 3 -5 - 6 .

CDV - 4 close up, CDV - 5, Close up, CDV - 7 close up,

Any reasons why??

Kevin in Deva.

[Herr General]

Just bought these pictures! There are brand new. I haven't researched them yet so all info is welcome!

A

B

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[Herr General]

C

D

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[Herr General]

E

F

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[Herr General]

G

H

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[Herr General]

And the last one. Not a CDV. A photo with in the Background one of the last living knights in the Military Order of William. G. van Hakkeberg.

I

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[Herr General]

Kev, I will try to repost those CDV's in the comming week!

[Kev in Deva]

Kev, I will try to repost those CDV's in the comming week!

Herr General, Many thanks, the new group look very interesting especially No 4 with the Iron Cross at the end of the medal bar Kevin in Deva

[Herr General]

Thanks. Looks like he is also wearing the Bavarian Military Merit Cross with swords

[Jacky]

Very very very impressing pictures, all with a very tingly tangly breast.

With regard to the bavarian military order is the full rank;

bavarian military merit cross with swords ?nd crown, which is a rank higher than just the cross with swords.

Kind regards,

Jacky

[Herr General]

About H > http://i6.tinypic.com/44herno.jpg

This General appears to be wearing the following!

Officer in the Order of Oranje Nassau with Swords

Cross of Merit from the Dutch Red Cross ( grade unknown )

Officers long service cross. ( numeral unknown )

Unknown medal ( could be a Dutch Red Cross membership medal )

Mobilisation Cross 1914-1918

Officer in the Legion d'honneur from France

Knight in the Order of Leopold II from Belgium

What could the unknown medal be?

[ErikMuller]

About H > http://i6.tinypic.com/44herno.jpg

This General appears to be wearing the following!

Officer in the Order of Oranje Nassau with Swords

Cross of Merit from the Dutch Red Cross ( grade unknown )

Officers long service cross. ( numeral unknown )

Unknown medal ( could be a Dutch Red Cross membership medal )

Mobilisation Cross 1914-1918

Officer in the Legion d'honneur from France

Knight in the Order of Leopold II from Belgium

What could the unknown medal be?

The last one is not the Order of Leopold II but the Officer's cross of the Order of the Redeemer of Greece. My best guess would be that this is either Major-General A. van de Moer or Major-General N. Schrijver of the Medical Service.

[ErikMuller]

The last one is not the Order of Leopold II but the Officer's cross of the Order of the Redeemer of Greece. My best guess would be that this is either Major-General A. van de Moer or Major-General N. Schrijver of the Medical Service.

Ok strike-through MG Schrijver, he was also recipient of the Polish Cross of Merit, the Polish Badge of the Medical Officer's School and the Spanish Red Cross Medal 1st class. Best guess would be: MG Van de Moer!

[Herr General]

Your right about the order of the Redeemer! I will see if I can find some hints in the usual newspaper archives. Thanks for your input Eric!

Here's a new picture.

Still in the mail. So I can't make a better close up scan!

[Herr General]

It is A van de Moer See "Het Vaderland" 29-06-1940 Avond page 3

His decoration hidden under the other medals is still unknown

Officer in the Order of Oranje Nassau

Officer in the Order of the Legion d'Honneur from France

Officer in the Order of the Redeemer from Greece

Cross of Merit from the Dutch Red Cross

Mobilisation Cross

Officers Cross of the Austrian Red Cross w/war decoration 1914-19 ( breastcross )

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[Herr General]

Next

Any ideas about Mister B, F or G ?

[Jacky]

Very wonderfull picture!!

The man in the middle must be noble, because he's wearing the knights cross & breaststar of the johanniter order.

The others are aslo quite decorated, the left one with the knight Netherlands Liond and the right one a knight Militairy order of William.

All in all, very very nice pictures!!

kind regards,

Jacky

[Herr General]

I will give General F a try now. http://i12.tinypic.com/2mplz09.jpg

Knight in the Order of the Dutch Lion

Knight in the Order of Oranje Nassau ( With Swords I presume? )

Officers Long Service decoration

Knight in the Legion d'Honneur from France

Knight in the Order of the Dannebrog from Denmark ( not sure about this one )

Commander in the Swordorder from Sweden

Commander in the Crownorder from Italy

Commander in the Order of the Oakencrown from Luxembourg

Unknown grandcross, maybe from one of the orders above

Officer in the Order of Franz Joseph from Austria

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