Chris Boonzaier Posted October 10, 2006 Posted October 10, 2006 When stamped on equipment.... what exaclty is this?Beschafungs amt? Bekleidungs amt? Bayerische Armee Korps? I listened to 2 germans argue this for 10 minutes today....
David Gregory Posted October 10, 2006 Posted October 10, 2006 When stamped on equipment.... what exaclty is this?Beschafungs amt? Bekleidungs amt? Bayerische Armee Korps? I listened to 2 germans argue this for 10 minutes today....Hi Chris,I have always believed it stands for Bekleidungsamt and the K stands for Korps. It is usually found together with a Roman numeral, which corresponds to the army corps district.Does anyone (Chip!) have a written period reference for this?David
Chip Posted October 11, 2006 Posted October 11, 2006 Hi Guys,B.A.K. = Bekleidungsamt Kiel Navy issue mark. Also, B.A.W. = Bekleidungsamt WilhelmshavenChip
Chip Posted October 11, 2006 Posted October 11, 2006 (edited) Here is an ink marking (B.A.W.) on a navy issue gray canvas puttee. Not the best stamping, but I think you can make it out. Chip Edited August 4, 2015 by Chip
JensF. Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 I thought it is "Bekleidungsamt Armeekorps" and then the roman number of the corps?
Chip Posted October 14, 2006 Posted October 14, 2006 Jens,No, it is BekleidungsAmt and then the corps number. There is no Armeekorps meant to be included in this abbreviation. I guess you could say that it is "understood" that the Roman numeral is the corps number.Chip
joerookery Posted October 23, 2006 Posted October 23, 2006 I always thought it was a Navy thing. Look at this postcard -- your thoughts?
David Gregory Posted October 23, 2006 Posted October 23, 2006 Joe,That abbreviation represents 2nd Bavarian Army Corps.David
Chip Posted October 23, 2006 Posted October 23, 2006 I have not seen any individual field gear marked in this way, but I have seen vehicles with this type of marking. Chip
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 31, 2007 Author Posted October 31, 2007 Does anyone know what the SB on the stamp (Joe's) stands for? I have seen it on a number of stamps like this one (but with other units)
joerookery Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 Chris,I believe that stands for: Soldaten Brief
Chris Boonzaier Posted October 31, 2007 Author Posted October 31, 2007 Ahhhhh.... could very possibly be. Had not thought of that.
Naxos Posted October 31, 2007 Posted October 31, 2007 (edited) Chris,I believe that stands for: Soldaten BriefThat is correct. Here is a Stempel that spells it out: Edited October 31, 2007 by Naxos
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 20, 2013 Author Posted February 20, 2013 Need a bit of help... I remember reading that the bavarians did not use the "B.A. ..." stamps, but had a different way of marking.... Does anyone know what it was? Thanks Cris
Chip Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 The Bavarians used the B.A. stamp in most cases, but at some point during the war (1915 I think), they came out with a Hersteller code, similar to the WWII German manufacturer codes. As far as I know (from the examples I have seen), this was only done by the Bekleidungs Depot of the III.b.A.K.. So what you see in the marking is a rectangle intersected in the middle by a vertical line. On the left half is the vendor code and on the right is "B.D.III" over the date. I've seen this on everything from Bluse, to Unterhose, to cartridge pouches and pretty much any other issued item coming out of that corps depot. Chip
Chip Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 So far, I have logged twenty different manufacturer codes spanning the years 1915-1918. I have no idea who the manufacturers are. Perhaps that information is buried somewhere in the Bavarian decrees or orders. There would have to have existed some index. Chip
Chip Posted February 21, 2013 Posted February 21, 2013 I always thought it was a Navy thing. Look at this postcard -- your thoughts? Joe, That's pretty interesting. Certainly not a navy marking. In this case, I think the stamp means, "Proviant-Kolonne 6, II.Bayerisches Armee Korps". Chip
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 21, 2013 Author Posted February 21, 2013 Magic, thanks, thats what I must have read.
Chris Boonzaier Posted February 21, 2013 Author Posted February 21, 2013 Joe, That's pretty interesting. Certainly not a navy marking. In this case, I think the stamp means, "Proviant-Kolonne 6, II.Bayerisches Armee Korps". Chip Sounds logical, there would be no need to have the Bekleidungs Amt on a letter.
Trajan Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 I have always believed it stands for Bekleidungsamt and the K stands for Korps. It is usually found together with a Roman numeral, which corresponds to the army corps district.Does anyone (Chip!) have a written period reference for this?Bekleidungsamt it is and as another person pointed out, this is a naval mark for Kiel: for the army it would be followed by the AK number (using Roman numbers). The DVE 185 regulations of 1909 and subsequently amended are the period reference you need. So, for example, it explains the marking "B.A.II.3.4." as "Bekleidungsamt des ...ten Armeekorps, Betriebsabteilung II, 3.Kompagnie, Waffe nr.4 - B.A.II.3.4."
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