EK 1870 1870 Cased EK1

[Christian J]

What is the consensus of this beautiful piece?

http://cgi.ebay.de/BESONDERS-SELTENES-GEWO...1QQcmdZViewItem

[joe campbell]

i'd LOVE to have this one in hand to look at

more closely...

case is beauteous, configuration is tempting,

can't really tell about the ridging.

...i'd love to have this one in hand...

joe

[dond]

This is the same seller as: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=13233

[Guest Darrell]

I know there were some wierd screwback variations made out of all kinds of Frankenstein parts ... but just how much of a pain would it be to keep those plain jane nuts tight on the screw posts? I find it hard to believe all 4 would have survived had these been original

[gregM]

Speaking of nuts--Take a good close look at this picture.

Those nuts look to be NEWLY machined. Nice shiny, smooth

perfect nuts. NOT 130 years old. Also the backing plate looks to be new.

[Guest Darrell]

Speaking of nuts.

Nice shiny, smooth

perfect nuts. NOT 130 years old.

I wish the wife would say that

Edited December 8, 2006 by Darrell

[gregM]

Now lets look at the back of the cross and the screw posts.

After 130 years , I would not expect to still be able to see the

welding residue around each of the 4 screwposts.

[gregM]

And now for the front of the cross.

Notice how his pictures of his 1870s crosses are always tipped

in such a way that you can not see the crowns. My guess would be

a deliberate attempt to hide a 9th bead crown or a muffin crown.

It's hard to judge from the bad picture but I am not to excited about

the style of date on this one. But it's had to tell from the picture.

[gregM]

I wish the wife would say that

LOL

I would save my money and look for a better example of a 1870

[Daniel Murphy]

First you have a supposed 1870 EK1 that measures 43.5mm. This indicates a post '41 ek and the wide spread arms reinforce that. this is enough for me to call it a fake or very late museum copy, but then it is marked "925" which is very rarely seen even during the WW1-20's period. Most high silver content EKs were 900, 935, 938 etc. 925 was to my knowledge not seen in germany prior to 1900, this was the ENGLISH standard. Then you have the newly soldered posts, new plate and nuts and we are way over the top already. THEN we have a case that was meant to house a nonportable circular medal (definitely not for an EK). Your Honour, the prosecution rests it's case. And someone has bid this up past ? 2000 !

Dan

[Biro]

As Greg has pointed out, the oblique viewing angles are a deliberate attempt to hide what is in essence a simple customised fake of the type often seen stamped with... 'J Wagner & Sohn'... an example of which can be seen in this current ebay auction..

http://cgi.ebay.de/Eisernes-Kreuz-1-Klasse...1QQcmdZViewItem

An absolute pile of shite that must be avoided IMO.

This guy is dangerous

Marshall

Edited December 9, 2006 by Biro

[Motorhead]

He's not only dangerous:E-Gliderider is also HD-Luder.......

Micha

[joe campbell]

goodness.....

my approach has always been to examine in hand....

any comments on the case?

joe

BTW... this is one of the reasons i only buy at

shows or from acquaintances here...

Edited December 9, 2006 by joe campbell