jaba1914 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Hallo friends,i'm new here and now i want to introduce myself.I'm 28 years old live in Germany near Heidelberg.I collect awards of the Kingdom of Saxony.But my main collecting domail is the imperial german Airforce 1913-1918. I will post here me collection the next days. I hope you will post also your badges here to build a database for imperial airforce bagdes.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 Here an Observer Badge in Silver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 (edited) A Pilot Badge in Silver from Juncker Edited December 12, 2006 by jaba1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 A bavarian Pilot Badge "CARL POELLATH" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 and back side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 jaba1914,First, WELCOME TO THE FORUM Second, BEAUTIFUL BADGES!!! Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted December 12, 2006 Author Share Posted December 12, 2006 This is the beginn of me badge collection (i hope). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Welcome! An impressive start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Super pieces! Thanks for the look see!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 Jaba1914, Is that a name engraved on the back of the Pilot's badge?Can you make it out (the pin is in the way in your pic).Thanks, Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 What about the die flaw in post#5? Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 What about the die flaw in post#5? Did I miss something?You didn't miss a thing. That's not a die flaw I'd want on any of my badges... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Oooops, there it is...still, nice ratio of hits to misses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 What "die flaw?" Draw arrows.The engraving looks like "Leutn. vZiegesar"which would be ?? either HANS of Gren Rgt 101 or JOACHIM of J?ger Baon 12-- but I have no information that either of them was a flyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 What "die flaw?" Draw arrows.The engraving looks like "Leutn. vZiegesar"which would be ?? either HANS of Gren Rgt 101 or JOACHIM of J?ger Baon 12-- but I have no information that either of them was a flyer.Thanks Rick. That would be Joachim, a fighter pliot with Jasta 15 among other units, R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dond Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 quote name='Rick Research' post='130705' date='Dec 12 2006, 21:20 ']What "die flaw?" Draw arrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brian von Etzel Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 That's the target Don. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Gentlemen, I'm still not convinced on this theory and I think it an error to judge any bavarian badge by this one characteristic alone.... many things, many quality points must be taken into consideration.Be aware of the fact that (IMO) the die flaw exists in BOTH types of crown/hinge wells. This simply cannot be the sole determining factor. Neither can the shape of the well, or the name.... If you disagree, please send me all of your badges like this/these/those now for "proper disposal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Reasonable positon for someone who's building up a thesis, but for a collector I'd be cautious and avoid this flaw as I avoided crowns even before I was fully convinced. Anyone have a die flaw like this on a badge in an attributable group? I do not.Rgds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Send them to me................. please.......................... they're bad................ mail them all to me.......................Pretty Please! ;>) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Murphy Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 (edited) Gentlemen, I'm still not convinced on this theory and I think it an error to judge any bavarian badge by this one characteristic alone.... many things, many quality points must be taken into consideration.Be aware of the fact that (IMO) the die flaw exists in BOTH types of crown/hinge wells. This simply cannot be the sole determining factor. Neither can the shape of the well, or the name.... If you disagree, please send me all of your badges like this/these/those now for "proper disposal".I am still confused by this as well. Rick, I trust your judgement on these things, but I have some questions. This on a Bavarian Badge is OK, but the same back, well and flaw on a Prussian badge is a fake? OR is a Prussian badge like this only a fake when Juncker marked? Is that the Key? Has someone been stamping unmarked original badges to try to increase the value and turned them into fakes?Dan Edited December 13, 2006 by Daniel Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share Posted December 13, 2006 (edited) Yes, the engraving is "Leutn. vZiegesar". I can`t open the pin because ii is repaired.Joachim Von Ziegesar had served in FA 23 along with Veltjens and Berthold,and there is a photo that suggests he was Veltjens' observer for a time.After becoming a pilot he seems to have been anotherof Berthold's proteges and followed him (and Veltjens) from unit to unit. My limited sources have him in Jasta 4 from 1 Oct 1916 to the 16th, then in Jasta 14 until 15 March 1918, He was briefly in Jasta 18 but then was part of the big Berthold switch to Jasta 15 on 18 or 20 March 1918. He flew with Jasta 15 until the EOW.He had three (?) victories:1. 6 June 1918 a DH9 at 1140 hrs at MaignelayUnconfirmed Sopwith on 9 August 1918, at 1830 hrs west of Le Quesnel2. 26 Sept '18, a SPAD XIII at 1740 hrs at Pont-a-Mousson3. 29 October '18 - a Breguet at ChampigneulleThe bavarian Pilot badge is a original i have a certificate. Edited December 13, 2006 by jaba1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PKeating Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Who issued the certificate?PK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaba1914 Posted December 13, 2006 Author Share Posted December 13, 2006 Who issued the certificate?PKIs a Niemann certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luftmensch Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 (edited) Detlev makes mistakes. Someone show me that flaw in an attributable group from a family and it's case closed. Just as it was with crowns. Otherwise, I'll avoid the flaw...but still be open to the possibility they're okay. Meanwhile, Stogie, if I see any I'll trade ya for more cases. Edited December 13, 2006 by Luftmensch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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