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Gerd Becker Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 (edited) USAF,you need MUCH better pictures of the order, especially of the ring on top of the order and a clear picture of the obverse and a closeup of the white enameled ring, if possible. I am not good enough with these to give you an opinion, but i guess, other member will be able to comment. Gerd Edited February 17, 2007 by Gerd Becker including NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Haynes Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 USAF,you need MUCH better pictures of the order, especially of the ring on top of the order and a clear picture of the obverse and a closeup of the white enameled ring, if possible. I am good enough with these to give you an opinion, but i guess, other member will be able to comment. GerdI'd agree with everything Gerd said. While I'd like to hear from the more expert members of the community, my non-expert eyes see a number of areas that bother me. For something this uncommon (and expensive), you need to be 100% sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley1965 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I'd agree with everything Gerd said. While I'd like to hear from the more expert members of the community, my non-expert eyes see a number of areas that bother me. For something this uncommon (and expensive), you need to be 100% sure.I, too agree with Gerd and Ed. This one leaves me with some doubt about it being a good OPW. I hope that you can post better pictures. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 ...my non-expert eyes see a number of areas that bother me....Awaiting the close ups.... especially of the suspension ring which was conveniently cropped.... Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Dear All,I have seen a lot of threads discussing originality or otherwise of individual medals. I am proposing this thread in this section as a forum on which to debate originality or otherwise of dubious items. The rules are simple:- If you do not know whether your order or medal is original post it here with clear and close up pics and forum members will help throw some light on the originality of the item.- Members assisting with identification please try to be as specific as possible saying more that fake or not also helping to use comparative scans were poissible to outline your case.This thread is accessible to members only so that ensures that any pointers given out are at least restricted to forum members.I hope this idea takes off and that some of us may find it a useful exercise to learn more about how to detect original items from fakes.Regards,Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Awaiting the close ups.... especially of the suspension ring which was conveniently cropped.... Jim...and one could already speculate from this photo, that this is for a damn good reason I think, i have seen more fakes of suspended OPW?s than real ones I hope, the OPW section of the english MONDVOR website will be finished soon (hint, hint) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lentiay Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 Silver star with enamel - 100 % a fake. A ring soldered anew. On a gold plate I shall tell nothing - photos very bad. Unfortunately I badly know language, to write is more detailed I can not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 I hope, the OPW section of the english MONDVOR website will be finished soon (hint, hint)Point taken! I'll finish "Bogdan Khmelnitsky" first and will start to look at that ..... unless Andrei is already working on it!Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 I look forward to the BK section. If you and Andrew need more suggestions, i?ll post my wish-list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belaruski Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Excellent idea.I'll start us off with this one. A medal of Ushakov. I've already a pretty good idea, and I'll be interested to hear the replies!Incidentaly it is made of silver, and is two pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Hi Belaruski,i think, its not a good one. The collar of Ushakov is wrong and the "A" and "D" of Admiral is off. The "A" is slightly smaller than on originals and the two "legs" of the "D" are a little bit too short. I also see some details in Ushakov?s hair, which are different than on originals and Ushakov doesn?t seem to have pupils on your Medal. Then the number is too deeply stamped IMO.All in all, thats enough for me to say, this is not a good one. You will probably not be surprised.Lets see, what the other have to say...Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belaruski Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 He actually does have pupils, but bad photos!This I think, is a very good fake, but for some reason the serial number is heavily stamped. I can't understand why!I bought this for a very fair price when I saw that originals were above the $1000 and then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Gaumann Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 The handle on the sickle is weird. Even unbent it looks weird.I'd say "no, too risky". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Dear all,I have seen a number of threads lately whereby members were unsure of whether their items were original or not. I would therefore like to start this thread as a platform for anyone wanting to query an item. The rules are simple:- Post clear scans of your ODM and state your case i.e. what you are unsure of.... It is very important that scans are as clear as possible showing maximimum detail. It is already hard to tell from scans in certain cases let alone if this is out of focus or has too much flash.- Members will reply as they can giving their comments as to why they think the ODM may be original or not. Ideally scans and comparisons are to be illustrated or at least, clear explanations to be given.- Let us all remember that there is always 'some' room for debate or discussion as long as one is looking at a picture as opposed to hands on study of the ODM.The idea is to a) help members resolve at least some of their doubts and b) to also serve as a learning exercise to help avoid fakes. These threads are protected for member's use only thus limiting access to non members. I hope that this idea takes off for those who may need it.Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belaruski Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 OK, what about this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 As far as I can see no major alarm bells going off here. My only question however concerns the obverse where I cannot make out if the darker areas on the silver are tarnished and worn or just scratched and revealing a non-silver base metal. I guess you can have a better idea of this hands on! Also if you have access to a black light you can also check if the enemal glows or not. It shouldn't!!Like the Borderguard medals on other threads, this is a widely faked medal and good quality copies exist. However, the ones I did come across in past seemed to always have a light red enamel (as opposed to a nice deep red one), small dot marks on the enamel, and less relief detail on the rays under the red star. Yet again.... these guys are getting better always.Anyone got more definite ideas on this one?Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belaruski Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 The dark areas are indeed tarnishing. This would polish up nicely, but I'm not keen on cleaning up 'old stuff'. If it's legit this will probably find its way to the sale room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimZ Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 The dark areas are indeed tarnishing. This would polish up nicely, but I'm not keen on cleaning up 'old stuff'.I cannot agree more about not cleaning medals! Polishing in my books = wear and tear!Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 What do you think of this one? It seems that the border on the reverse is not as wide on the left as on the right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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