Soviet Soviet belt buckles

[Takc]

Also, let's start a topic on the soviet belt buckles.

One may think that there were only three or four modifications - maybe five.

But actually, there were about of a hundred if we take both military and civil kinds, including their year modifications.

here is the militia belt buckle, mod. 1947-1955 (1958-9).

[Takc]

Naval admiral parade

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also, if somebody is interested, here is a link to the work in progress - a site of my very good friend, who collects world buckles.

He has a number of pictures of different soviet belt buckles.

www.pryaga.nm.ru

[Belaruski]

That's a very nice 16 republic buckle!

[Takc]

postwar coal mining

[Takc]

regular postwar early type

[Takc]

it's reverse side and interesting stamp

[Belaruski]

I know it's not a buckle, but I think you ught to show your Soviet miners helmet here too Takc, to go with that buckle!

[Takc]

why do you think it's not a buckle?

[Gerd Becker]

why do you think it's not a buckle?

Takc, i think, Stoo meant, that you should post your Miners helmet here too additional to the Miners buckle.

Interesting topic, btw. Lets see some more...

Gerd

[Takc]

i will post miner's helmet when I will get a more professional digital photo camera, because my current cam does not provide good pics...

or if you want, I can post bad pix, not a problem.

here is a schoolboy's belt buckle, postwar, untill 60-ies.

[kimj]

I posted my navy ones on the other forum. But here is a couple of merchant marine. Same but diffrent..

/Kim

[Takc]

here is my ww2 navy

note the difference. WW2 navy and merchant fleet buckles's anchor has rounded hooks, but postwar have square ones.

[Takc]

also wartime buckles have 45 grades cut angles, like shown above, and postwar have rounded angles.

however, differing buckles exist.

[Frontovik Mike]

Ok, here is mine... To be honest, I don't know much about this one. Arty Cadet?

Mike B

[Takc]

yes and it is one of the top rarest soviet buckles. congratulations. due to what I know, it's a ww2.

please, show us the reverse side.

[Frontovik Mike]

please, show us the reverse side.

[Takc]

hm strange

is the star and barrels emblem welded to the buckle, I can't see?

[Frontovik Mike]

It takes a very hard look to see it, but yes... the star and barrels are are a seperate piece. The fit of the two pieces is very tight and of high quality. I thought it was a single piece buckle for a long time

Mike

[Belaruski]

Wow.

Never seen one of those before!

[Takc]

Wow.

Never seen one of those before!

I am afraid it's not original, however, I do not know.

I have seen the dembel buckles of similar or even higher quality.

If you look at the belt attachment loops, the similar config can be found at the 50-60 era buckles.

ww2 buckles usually have attachment loops made of round wire, often even two loops separately.

This one has the rounded corners, typical 50-60 era attachment loops and applied emblem.

However, I must admit, that the emblem is very well done.

[Frontovik Mike]

I think this to be an original, but 50's era buckle. Like I said, I do not know much about it other than it was likey an artillery cadet uniform item. I think if you could hold it an see the natural verdigris and deep patina you would agree. Such is not easily or convincingly faked.

Mike

[Takc]

I think this to be an original, but 50's era buckle. Like I said, I do not know much about it other than it was likey an artillery cadet uniform item. I think if you could hold it an see the natural verdigris and deep patina you would agree. Such is not easily or convincingly faked.

Mike

Mike, the main important thing is that the cadets of artillery had worn regular buckles with only star after 45-46.

this is why odds arose.

[Frontovik Mike]

Takc,

Yes, I understand the concern when the reverse does not follow exactly like most others. Likewise with your statement about cadets after the war. Other than it's obvious age, the thing that makes mee keep faith in it and also what adds to the mystery is the manner in which I acquired this belt.

It came from a friend of mine in your part of the world. He found it being sold simply as old junk, useless Soviet crap and not at this rarest of Soviet buckles as you say and not in the militaria market. The buckle and the attached leather belt was aquired for a price well below what just the leather belt might sell for in St. Pete militaria market. I do not mean a price that was simply a "bargain" for a piece of rare militaria, but an insignificant amount of money in any sense. Barely one US dollar.

This alone certainly does not make it original I admit. However, if someone were going to go to such great lengths to make such a high quality fake of a rare bucke, I would more believe that it would be attempted to sell it as such and at the price it would command. I guess it will continue to be a mystery.

Mike

Edited March 4, 2007 by Frontovik Mike

[Takc]

I guess it will continue to be a mystery.

Mike

Mike, it may be a dembel as well.

If I be lucky enough, I will try to find and show the dembel navy buckle I had for a time, with appliable anchor-and-star emblem, of a very good quality. Actually, when a soldier have nothing to do, he makes beautiful dembel things as mad as pretty.

[RichieC]

DEMBEL Naval buckle from Sevastopol. I had no idea what it was when I found it, but it was so well made that I could not resist.