saschaw Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 (edited) Here's another photo I was able to purchase recently. It shows a man, for sure not a soldier but a civil service man, with some nice orders and decorations. The combination seems quite strange to me, and I'd appreciate any help. He's wearing: - Baden, Berthold order, commander's cross 1st class; - Baden, Order of the Zähringer Lion, commander's cross 1st class; - Montenegro, Order of Danilo, commander's cross 1st class; - Ottoman Empire; Medjidje order, commander's badge. He's as well wearing a sash with badge, but no star belonging to it. As the armrest covers it, I cannot recognize it. His 4 place medal bar contains: - Prussia, Crown Order 4th class with Geneve Cross; - (might be a Bavarian merit cross 1870/71) - Prussia, Kriegsdenkmünze in Stahl für 1870/71, on ribbon for noncombattants - (something from Italy ?!) The picture should be taken about 1896/97, as he's yet wearing a Berthold order (founded September 1896) and not yet a Centenarmedaille (march 1897) which he would have gotten as a 1870s person - or it's later and he just didn't want to wear it. Edited June 29, 2023 by saschaw
saschaw Posted March 10, 2007 Author Posted March 10, 2007 (edited) And some details. Thanks in advance. Edited June 29, 2023 by saschaw
saschaw Posted March 10, 2007 Author Posted March 10, 2007 (edited) Bad, bad armrest ... Edited June 29, 2023 by saschaw
JBFloyd Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 The last piece on his bar is the French medal of the Societe Francaise de Secours aux Blesses Miitaires for the 18790-1871 war.
Kev in Deva Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 (edited) The last piece on his bar is the French medal of the Societe Francaise de Secours aux Blesses Miitaires for the 18790-1871 war.Hallo JBFloyd I believe the second last could be the non-combatant version of the Prussian 1870 - 1871 medal, I have come across evidence of this medal being awarded to an English woman for Red Cross services in France during the 1870-71 conflict.LOUISA ELISABETH McLAUGHLIN (1836-1921),Perhaps the gentleman in this thread is an official with the Red Cross?. Kevin in Deva. Edited March 10, 2007 by Kev in Deva
saschaw Posted March 11, 2007 Author Posted March 11, 2007 (edited) Ulsterman said: Is it Durant? Pardon, but who's Durant?! I've no idea (yet) who this might be ... JBFloyd said: The last piece on his bar is the French medal of the Societe Francaise de Secours aux Blesses Miitaires for the 18790-1871 war. A 1870 French(!!!) on a German Breast?! Sounds rather strange. Would someone have a picture of it? I still think it might be Italian, as I've never seen such a shape before but on anything Italian. It's at least nothing German, I'd guess. Edited June 29, 2023 by saschaw
Kev in Deva Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 Pardon, but who's Durant?! I've no idea (yet) who this might be ... A 1870 French(!!!) on a German Breast?! Sounds rather strange. Would someone have a picture of it? I still think it might be Italian, as I've never seen such a shape before but on anything Italian. It's at least nothing German, I'd guess.Hallo saschaw It is the French medal as the faint outline of the Red Cross can be seen on the ribbon, it also remains to be seen if the gentleman is actualy German.The British Lady is wearing the same French Decoration, as well as the Prussian Non-Combatant Medal for 1870-71 and the State of Hessen-Darmstadt Milit?r-Sanit?ts-Kreuz 1870/71.Kevin in Deva.
saschaw Posted March 11, 2007 Author Posted March 11, 2007 (edited) Thanks Kevin, now I see. The French one seems indeed to be right, and the Bavarian in 2nd place as well, isn't it? Edited June 29, 2023 by saschaw
JBFloyd Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 Jean Henri Dunant founded the International Red Cross and was a Nobel Peace Prize laureate in 1901. His photo and bio appear at: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/l...dunant-bio.html
saschaw Posted March 11, 2007 Author Posted March 11, 2007 Ah, you meant Dunant? Don't think it to be him. I don't know, but guess that he, the founder of the Red Cross, wore "some" more medals, e.g. he was awarded a French Legion of Honnour in 1865 by Napoleon III.
saschaw Posted February 20, 2010 Author Posted February 20, 2010 (edited) Up again - I found him by coincidence. He's still in the 1913 Hof- und Staatshandbuch für das Großherzogtum Baden: Dr. Vinzenz Czerny, Wirklicher Geheimer Rat, Exzellenz, ordentlicher Professor a.D., Direktor des Krebsinstituts und Samariterhauses. In the meantime, my photo pre-dates 1897, he upgradet his BZ2a to BZ1 and added BFL, KO2, a Serbian St. Sava order plus the usual stuff to get: Prussian 1897 and Baden 1902 medals. I still have no idea what's behind the armrest... it is nothing of the mentioned. Edited April 20, 2023 by saschaw
saschaw Posted February 20, 2010 Author Posted February 20, 2010 (edited) And the reason I could not find him on DOA, neither 1904 nor 1908: He did not mention his French award. Edited April 20, 2023 by saschaw
Riley1965 Posted February 22, 2010 Posted February 22, 2010 Graet pictures!!! I love any Medical related photos. Maybe a thread could be started for world-wide medical photos? Doc Chev. Michael Riley, GCOBE, KCRCC
saschaw Posted November 5, 2011 Author Posted November 5, 2011 (edited) Until now, I did not realize he's been awarded a TM1 accoring the entries. I don't think a TM1 is worn on the neck, so the order on the sash, behind the armrest may be the TM1 - with an additional TM3 worn on the neck?! That's odd! But odder were he's wearing a "big" order unmentioned anywhere. Found him by coincidence, where I had never looked up: Prussian rank list! He was an actual civilian, but "Generalarzt à la suite des Sanitätscorps" and thus mentioned (1909 vol., p. 40). Edited June 29, 2023 by saschaw
christerd Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 :jumping: Great Pic ! And very well done to find this Gentleman in the ranklists Christer
Tim Tezer Posted November 10, 2011 Posted November 10, 2011 Until now, I did not realize he's been awarded a TM1 accoring the entries. I don't think a TM1 is worn on the neck, so the order on the sash, behind the armrest may be the TM1 - with an additional TM3 worn on the neck?! That's odd! But odder were he's wearing a "big" order unmentioned anywhere. Found him by coincidence, where I had never looked up: Prussian rank list! He was an actual civilian, but "Generalarzt à la suite des Sanitätscorps" and thus mentioned (1909 vol., p. 40). Yes, TM1 (Turkish Mejidie Order, 1st Class) is a sash, badge, and I'm pretty certain that's what he is wearing. Tim
922F Posted November 10, 2011 Posted November 10, 2011 Sash badge suspension device seems to lack a Medjidie style star/crescent. It does not appear to be a Medjidie star affixed to a sash either. Odd he's not wearing his TM1 star. Detail visible on French ribbon suggests that Sash may lack [Medjidie] side stripe and is only one color. Perhaps it's a judge's or participant's sash from some exposition? If the suspension is a 5 or 6 point starburst---maybe it's a Persian Sun & Lion?
saschaw Posted November 10, 2011 Author Posted November 10, 2011 Thanks you! I wish the picture were clearer. I think the sash badge is the Ottoman award he did have, maybe taken in an odd angle.
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