Alex K Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I have the attached example of the order of the red eagle 4th class, been in my collection for a good number of years. I have noticed that other forum members have posted many examples of imperial bars with this medal included. All the bars I have seen so far show this medal with what I would call "pebbled arms". My example posted shows smooth arms.There are no obvious makers marks except for the underside of the lower arm, which seems to show some form of stamp/marking, ( apologies the gubby fingers) which to me are undefinable.Any assitance in identifying this piece would be greatfully recievedregardsAlexthanksAlex K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Dane Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I believe the mark is "Hossauer"/Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stogieman Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I would agree. It matched the period of the cross. It does appear to have been mis-struck though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted May 4, 2007 Author Share Posted May 4, 2007 Hi guys, thanks any idea as it's period?regardsalex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 should be between 1854 - 1879............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted May 5, 2007 Author Share Posted May 5, 2007 Thanks nearly as old as the wife then! on a serious note, any explanation as to when they went from smooth arms to pebbled, or was it an individual manufacturer's preference?regardsAlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoGrusdat Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 as I know after 1879.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saschaw Posted May 5, 2007 Share Posted May 5, 2007 As I know, the date of the change is not known for sure, and estimations are from 1879 to 1892. 1892 is the latest possible time for smooth arms, as then came the crown, and pieces with crown and smooth arms do not exist. I do not know where the 1879 date comes from, but as I know, some doubt it ... A very nice one, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted May 5, 2007 Author Share Posted May 5, 2007 thank you gentlemen, so the change happened to all RAO's at that time and was not a manufacturer's personal preferenceregardsAlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Hello Alex K:What you have is an 1846-1854!!!!! example with the "Lila Adler" (lilac eagle). This is much less commonly encountered than the later type of the smooth-armed cross with the "Karminrotem/Ziegelrotem" (brick red) eagle. A very fine piece!Best regards,"SPM" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted May 8, 2007 Author Share Posted May 8, 2007 HI SPM so its older than previosuly thought , thanks for the comments most helpfulRegardsAlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Hello everyoneCould this cross also be considered to have the first type eagle?. It shows no marking on the arms. What period could it possibly be?Thank you for your commentsBest regards to all on this fine forumVeteran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 Sorry, I did not make it. Here is my next effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schießplatzmeister Posted May 8, 2007 Share Posted May 8, 2007 (edited) Hello Veteran:Your photo is of the same-era (1846-1854) badge as that posted above. A very nice piece congratulations!It should be noted that this is actually the 2nd type of eagle as far as 4th Class RAO badges are concerned as the first type had a silver center and was made in one piece.Best regards,"SPM"Hello everyoneCould this cross also be considered to have the first type eagle?. It shows no marking on the arms. What period could it possibly be?Thank you for your commentsBest regards to all on this fine forumVeteran Edited May 8, 2007 by Schie?platzmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Thank you very much. This is the first and only one I have ever seen, and I really neaded expert advice.Very best regardsVeteran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Gentlemen,For comparison - a first type Red Eagle 4th class. Just so that there is no confusion, this style (no porcelain center medallion) was never used in the first, second or third classes.Regards,Wild Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex K Posted May 10, 2007 Author Share Posted May 10, 2007 Hi Wild Card, thanks for the info, nice medal, obviously an early pieceregardsAlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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