John F. Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 (edited) Any opinions on this Order of the Patriotic War - 2nd cl? Check out that pin and catch set-up looks German. Maybe a repair job by German Jeweler for a Soviet soldier after the war? Edited August 18, 2005 by John F.
Marcus H Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 (edited) Reminds me of an EK1 set up that there is.Not that I know about these at all, but I've not seen to my recollection this two part construction either ????There's no mint mark and the number is off to the side to accomadate the hook ??? Edited August 18, 2005 by Marcus H
Alfred Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Yes, and it looks like the red enamel of the stars is replaced.The red colour is not quite right.regardsAndreas
Guest Darrell Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 (edited) Reminds me of an EK1 set up that there is.Not that I know about these at all, but I've not seen to my recollection this two part construction either ????There's no mint mark and the number is off to the side to accomadate the hook ???←The 2nd Class Type 1 (with ribbon device) were of 2 piece construction .. however, no Type 2 (always screwback), were ever 2 piece construction.There were know examples, where Type 1 were converted to Type 2 and a modified Screwpost created, but not like this as far as I have ever seen or read Could definitely have seen some rough treatment and got repaired PostWar in Germany ... interesting piece by any means .... Edited August 18, 2005 by Darrell
Chris S Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 JohnIts a type 1 variation 1...it would have had a loop on top for a hanger...very low number...great piece...it has been converted to screwback...I have never seen one done that way before but very nice...Yes, some of the enamel has been replaced...boogalooo........no biggie and quite normal.........Attached a Typ1 Variation 2 ......the only difference V1 and 2 is the size of the hanger (which is lost in history).......notice the loop and the mark on the back were the pin has broken off.Chris
Chris S Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Darrell.......slight case of snap........The back of T1 V2
Chris S Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Actually John, it is a T1 V3...I notice now it has five figure number.......it would not have had a stick pin...see attached backs...V2 and V3...V3 no mark were stick pin would have been...........Chris
Guest Darrell Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Darrell.......slight case of snap........The back of T1 V2←The pinbacks you are thinking of are not like that in the pictures above. They were like this below .. quite different.
Chris S Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 The pinbacks you are thinking of are not like that in the pictures above. They were like this below .. quite different....unquoteI am saying this...as you look at the picture above, the one on the left is a Variation 3...because it does not have a Pin back.The one next to it shows the area where the pin back was, but snapped off, Variation 2 of type 1.As you obviously have PD's book he does state that the pin tended to snap of and why they binned it and made the V3 without it.As for the pictures above... they are from my collection and not taken from books.Cheers Chris
Guest Darrell Posted August 18, 2005 Posted August 18, 2005 Well regardless, the first badge under question does not have the same pin back as mentioned for Type 1 badges. Obviously it was (or is trying to be) a Type 2.The pinback is a dead ringer for the types found on early Schinkel Type Iron Crosses. That's what makes this one quite unusual.
John F. Posted August 19, 2005 Author Posted August 19, 2005 Gentlemen, Thank you for the detailed discussion on this piece it has been very informative.
Chris S Posted August 19, 2005 Posted August 19, 2005 Well regardless, the first badge under question does not have the same pin back as mentioned for Type 1 badges. Obviously it was (or is trying to be) a Type 2...UnquoteSorry to be pedantic, but it is a type 1 and not a type 2 (Type 2 were screwbacks in the first place), its conversion does not make it anything else but an altered Type 1 Variation 3. This conversion is normal as you know , because of the 1943 change in statute for wear, screwbacks with hangers had to be converted. Type 2 were then manufactured without hangers in the screwback mode.Variation 1 and 2 of type 1 had a pinback, the number range makes it a type 3 of the type 1, this variation was just that, because it did not have a pinback in the first place.It is a type 1 Variation 3 with an unusual pinback arrangement possible made for wear as a screwback.The other thing it could be is, a put together piece to deceive, therefore fake and I am wrong!CheersChris
Alfred Posted October 30, 2005 Posted October 30, 2005 Hello,what do you think about this OGPW 2nd Class typ 1? I can?t see any obviosly problems.But I don?t like the small connection from the star tip to the loop. I looked at the pictures of severalOGPW and the connection was always thicker. Any comments? Any other pieces with a small connection? regardsAndreas
Alfred Posted October 30, 2005 Posted October 30, 2005 and here are some loops of original OGPW 2nd class to compare.What do you think?
USSR Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 Hi all! I'm new om this forum and I have a question about this converted Order of the Patriotic War 2. What variation is this order and was this way of converting a order usual? Thanks in advance! http://tinyurl.com/cosxprt http://tinyurl.com/bwl8as3 http://tinyurl.com/btdo8uu http://tinyurl.com/897vowz
USSR Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 PS I'm not able to upload the pictures directly since I am using a IPad... Great stuff apple..;-(
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