Alonso Posted July 30, 2007 Posted July 30, 2007 Hello everybody! This is my first message, I expect to spend a good time with all of you. I am Spanish so sorry for my english!I would like to know if this peaces are real or fake. Please give me your opinion.Thank you very much for your opinions!!
naoki matsumoto Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Hello everybody! This is my first message, I expect to spend a good time with all of you. I am Spanish so sorry for my english!I would like to know if this peaces are real or fake. Please give me your opinion.Thank you very much for your opinions!!Hi,Naoki Matsumoto. Hallmarked of above Kreuz is "64"?,I never watch to it. EK of under photo,LDO tape? Nice items !
Guest Darrell Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) Both are good.They are:a. Fritz Zimmerman (6.)b. Unmarked BH Mayer Edited July 31, 2007 by Darrell
Dave B Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Both are original and are as Darrell says a Fritz Zimmermann(6) and an unmarked BH Mayer(26).
Alex K Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Hi I agree, they are both original, BTW there's nothing wrong with your English, I wish I could speak Spanish that well regardsAlex K
Alonso Posted July 31, 2007 Author Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) Hi I agree, they are both original, BTW there's nothing wrong with your English, I wish I could speak Spanish that well regardsAlex KThank you very much for your answers! I would like to ask: is there any special reason for the "silver" svastika in the first EK1? The manufacturer always made them that way? Edited July 31, 2007 by Alonso
pluribus Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Hello Alonso, I don`t think the manufacturer made them that way. Here is my E54 screwback to the LW 5/KG-4 pilot-observer Kreuzer. pluribus
Alex K Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 Many recipients removed the paint of the swastika to make it stand out more, it was a personal thing and not part of the manufacturing process.regardsAlex
Alonso Posted July 31, 2007 Author Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) Many recipients removed the paint of the swastika to make it stand out more, it was a personal thing and not part of the manufacturing process.regardsAlexInteresting!! I hope the paint has not been removed after, to try to increase the medal value trying to make it more rare. Edited July 31, 2007 by Alonso
Alex K Posted July 31, 2007 Posted July 31, 2007 The swastika does look a little shiny, is the core magnetic or not?, it may be zinc, removing the paint wouldn't increase the value thoughin my opinionregardsAlex
Alonso Posted August 1, 2007 Author Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) Hey, the seller tells me that it is marked 61 not 6!What do you think of it? Edited August 1, 2007 by Alonso
Alonso Posted August 1, 2007 Author Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) Anyway, what is the best way in a photo to notice if a piece is real or fake? 3 pieces, metal core etc are things your notice with de EK in your hands... Edited August 1, 2007 by Alonso
Guest Darrell Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Hey, the seller tells my that it is marked 61 not 6!What do you think of it?He needs glasses worse than me It's "6." Yes ... it has a period after the 6. This is probably what he sees and thinks is a 1 as in 61.
Alex K Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) What's this then!, It looks like the upper part of a 1regardsAlexEdit 61 would be Rudolf A Karnethz & Sohn Edited August 1, 2007 by Alex K
ekhunter Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Don't know what that is. Maybe just some dent, or something like that, but that mark on the pin is definately a 6., which is for Fritz Zimmermann.
Alonso Posted August 12, 2007 Author Posted August 12, 2007 I have already commented this in other topic, but I would like to post this matter here anyway.Compairing my two crosses close together, I have realised that the lenght of the sides of the crosses are different, while my 2nd class iron cross has its sides measuring 26 mm each, my iron cross first class has its sides measuring 25 mm each. Is this a normal thing? I have never realized before.The first class is marked 6. and the second class one is marked 100, you can see the first class in this forum becouse it's my new purchase!Both of them measure 44 mm from side to side, this is a standard for all Iron crosses first class or second, but I thought there were no difference in the lenght of the sides.
Guest Darrell Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 (edited) Nothing to worry about AFAIK. Small manufacturing differences create slightly different dimensions.Did you know that there can be a huge variance in weight as well?Example:26 BH Mayer ~ 16.8gL/10 Deschler & Sohn ~ 24.3g Edited August 12, 2007 by Darrell
Alonso Posted August 12, 2007 Author Posted August 12, 2007 (edited) Nothing to worry about AFAIK. Small manufacturing differences create slightly different dimensions.Did you know that there can be a huge variance in weight as well?Example:26 BH Mayer ~ 16.8gL/10 Deschler & Sohn ~ 24.3gI could imagine, depending on the materials maybe, but I thought measures were a quite ruled thing, for example from side to side they MUST be 44x44 and Knight crosses 48x48, no differences allowed! I thougt the rest of meausures were the same way.Of course in the drawing of 1939/1813 or the swastica are many and interesting diferences! Edited August 12, 2007 by Alonso
Alonso Posted August 12, 2007 Author Posted August 12, 2007 (edited) I forgot to thank you very much for your quick answer! Edited August 12, 2007 by Alonso
Guest Darrell Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 I forgot to thank you very much for your quick answer! No problem. While the dimensions most times fall within that specific range, there are exceptions to the rule.Compare a "wide" framed "24" to other EK1's. There is a difference in frame width. Or the Ubergrosse EK1 with same dimensions as the RK !
Alonso Posted August 24, 2007 Author Posted August 24, 2007 As you can see there's a little hit in my Ek1. Yesterday It fall from my hands and another little hit was made, It is aceptable to mend it with a litle paint, or it is more pure to leave it alone? What do you think?
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