Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Hello everyone,i got research today and part of it is the research to this T2V2 Order of the Red Banner. My friend Rick is so friendly to provide the translation for this, so stay tuned.Firstly the Order itself: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Fortunately there was a photo in the in the personal record. He looks a bit like Raymond Burrs long lost brother. He is already Colonel on that photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 The first part of his award record card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Other side of the award card: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 (edited) Citation upper half: Edited September 13, 2005 by Gerd Becker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Citation lower half: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Personal Record Part 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Personal Record Part 4Thats it. Rick, give me a sign, if these are ok. Thanks in advance.Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 In 1955 Colonel Khariton Gordeevich Shashel', born 1907 in the village of Sivash, Sivashsky Raion, Khersonskaya Oblast, ethnic Ukrainian, of peasant class background. Civil occupation described as "Pioneer Worker," which I take to be a functionary of the Communist youth group "Young Pioneers." Entered the Red Army 30 November 1929 at Genichevsky, Zaporozhsky Oblast.He was then the Commander of 274th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Traget Range "2nd Category" (whatever THAT meant, for weaponry type).AwardsTHIS Red Banner # 72,925 on 25.4.44 per Order of the Northern FrontRed Star # 458,737 on 3.11.44 (so a long service bestowal)Red Banner # 355,301 17.5.51 (long service)Defense of Stalingrad, Victory Over Germany, and 1948 Armed Forces Jubilee medalsOrder of Lenin # 291,848 5.11.54 (long service)and the Award Record Card dated 5.3.55 is something "Academy," so Colonel Shashel' 's command was some sort of instruction unit at that. Rotrating the ARC stamp will no doubt make it more legible and I'll come back to the precise Academy designation later.The Red Banner Citation was for him as Major commanding 80th Unit of Anti-Aircraft Artillery. The heading indicates he participated in the war against Poland in 1939, and WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Wow, you are fast. Here is the stamp again, rotated 180 degrees: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Ah, Gerd snuck in 5 more scans in there while I was typing! Anyway, the citation reads "In the division {Soviet artillery unit term here = battalion} since August 1941, obtained excellent military training and military readiness.He carried out his military tasks for defense of railway bridges over the River Don in the area around Lizhka, with the battalion repelling waves of massed enemy aerial attacks. Showing personal leadership in continuously suppressing enemy air attacks regardless of losses, thanks to correct arrangements within his means and personal leadership, the battalion was able to repel all attacks and protect important defensive objects.Comrade Shashel' 's personal example and enthusiasm place his personal leadership among the highest heroic advances.In his military service at anti-aircraft defense points, the battalion shot down 9 and hit 7 enemy aircraft. Comrade Shashel' is devoted to affairs of the Party of Lenin and Stalin and the Socialist Homeland. For displaying personal courage and heroism and personal leadership in repelling enemy air raids, he deserves to be decorated with the Order of the Red Banner.Chief of Western Front Anti-Aircraft Branch, Colonel-General "Gromadin"Concur, Chief of Western Front A-A Branch Military Council, Major General "Orlov" " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 13, 2005 Share Posted September 13, 2005 Service Record also quite clear. Born 27 September 1907. Educated to 8th Class, 1922. 1931 Communist Party member number maybe you can read better in original-- looks like 2,475,007. Attended Divisional Party School in city of Orsha, 1936. "reads German with a dictionary." (just like my Russian!!! )Wife Mariya Timofeevna born 1909: two daughters-- Larisa, b. 1934, and Leonardiya (yuck!!!) b. 1937."Defense of White Russia" 17.9.-17.10.39 before moving into Eastern Poland until June 1940.Lt (no date)Senior Lt June 1938Captain November 1940Major 21.12.42Lieutenant Colonel 16.6.44Colonel 22.6.5130.11.29 Private 20th Independent Anti-Aircraft Battery9.30 Section commander 20th Indep. AA Bty.1. 33 Cadet at Sevastapol School of Anti-Aircraft Artillery2.34 Platoon commander 4th A-A Regiment1.12.36 Platoon commander 35th Indep. A-A Battalion1.1.37 Courses for anti-aircraft command staff6.37 Battery Commander, 35th Indep. A-A Btn.6.38 Assistant Staff Commander, 16th Indep. A-A Btn.8.38 Commander of Instruction Battery, 19th Independent A-A Battalion13.11.40 Commander of Cadet Battery, Sevastapol School of AAA30.8.41 Commander 80th Independent Anti-Aircraft Battalion8.7.43 Commander 1574th Anti-Aircraft Regiment "MK" ("MK" = ?)there is an "X" here and out of sequence notation which I am not sure if it is an INSERTION or a CORRECTION--"12.5.43" "Commander 1573rd Anti-Aircraft Regiment"23.9.44 Commander 1934th Anti-Aircraft Regiment1.3.45 Commander of (abbreviations baffle me presently) A-A of the Southern Front25.4.46 Commander 453rd Independent Anti-Aircraft Battalion (served outside the Soviet borders in Hungary and Czechoslovakia)18.7.46 Commander District Target Range, Yevpatoriya District Anti-Aircraft Target Range and 7th Section Commander 45th Anti-Aircraft "SK" (= ?) Battalion School3.2.54 Commander "2nd work" 274th Anti-Aircraft Target Range14.10.55 (at disposition ?) of commander of "nii-2" (= ???) Anti Aircraft Defense Forces of the Nation14 January 1956 retired (placed in reserves)This is ABOUT everything. Couple of stray lines defeat my reading at first pass through. The stamp on the 1955 Awards Record Card, for instance, looks like "NII-2" (perhaps "KII-2" for "Kategory-2" as mentioned in his target range command, whatever "Category 2" WAS)... "AKADEMI... ERIISK... (NAUK???) (VM?) SSSR."A marked change from your LAST research results!!! Here are what his shoulder boards would have looked like when he got this LATE screwback ORB:http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=932&...findpost&p=5840And typical of 1944 officers' hats, a "flat" type artillery and armor officers' visor cap, with plush black band and red piping around the TOP of that and the top of the green-khaki crown:[attachmentid=10702] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 13, 2005 Author Share Posted September 13, 2005 Yes, indeed. Thanks so much, my friend. You are my Hero Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 14, 2005 Author Share Posted September 14, 2005 Rick,here is the reverse of the Citation.Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 Nothing else on the back of the Red Banner Citation? That is only the lower guy who recorded and issued the decoration from Headquarters.Colonel-General Gromadin is NOT listed on the WW2 Generals website No way to tell WHICH Orlov the Commissar was.Here's a badge your Colonel would probably have worn in the 1930s, "Ready For Civil Defense"--[attachmentid=10703][attachmentid=10704] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steen Ammentorp Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Having just sent Rick a PM with information on the officer Gromadin mentioned in this thread and I should remember to say that I am missing a few PVO-officers in my database (so many and so little time) and just after sending the PM I noticed a mistake I had made concerning the dates. So Rick please forget the PM.Gromadin, Colonel-General Mikhail Stepanovich (08.11.1899-03.06.1962):05.06.40: Major-General28.10.41: Lieutenant-General19.11.43: Colonel-General40-41: Commanding Officer I Air Defence Corps41 : Commanding Officer Moscow Air Defence Area00.11.41-00.05.42: Assistant People's Commissar of Defence29.06.43-29.03.44: Commander in Chief Western Air Defence Zone29.03.44-24.12.44: Commander in Chief Northern Air Defence Zone24.12.44-00.00.45: Commander in Chief Central Air Defence Zone50-54: Inspector at Ministry of Defence54 : RetiredI said there was no way to know who the Orlov was but on second thought I have a gut feeling that is the one below (another of those that I haven't had the time to add yet).Orlov, Lieutenant-General Ivan Alekseevich (10.11.1902-00.08.1980):06.12.42: Major-General18.11.44: Lieutenant-General41 : Political Commissar IV Fighter Aviation Corps26.06.43-29.03.44: Political Commissar Western Air Defence Zone29.03.44-24.12.44: Political Commissar Northern Air Defence Zone24.12.44-00.01.45: Political Commissar Central Air Defence ZoneThough I have no information on either being attach to the Southern Defence Zone or Southern Front but considering their other whys corresponding careers I think it would unlikely to be any other Orlov.What puzzles me a bit is that is the date and let me be quick to say that I know nothing on awards or citations but isn't the citation dated 25th April 1944? At a date where both Gromadin and Orlov is supposed to have been elsewhere? Maybe I have missed something.Kind RegardsSteen AmmentorpThe Generals of World War II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Yup. that's why such original documentation is important! "Official" biographies may have errors, but we have time-and-place signatures on there. My tired-brain error too (corrected, thanks!!), WESTERN and not "Southern." Fixed that on my translation of the citation approval! Thanks for the amazing information. Before Kim told us about your website, I had written off Soviet generals as "impossible" to ever research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 15, 2005 Author Share Posted September 15, 2005 Thanks, Steen Ammentorp for the information provided.Your help is very much appreciated.best regards,Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 there is an "X" here and out of sequence notation which I am not sure if it is an INSERTION or a CORRECTION--"12.5.43" "Commander 1573rd Anti-Aircraft Regiment"[attachmentid=10702]←Rick,this date looks on the original like 12.05.1944 That would put it in line again, right?Gerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted September 16, 2005 Author Share Posted September 16, 2005 14.10.55 (at disposition ?) of commander of "nii-2" (= ???) Anti Aircraft Defense Forces of the Nation I don?t understand this entry, Rick. What was Shashel?s position at this time?ThanksGerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick Research Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 I cannot read or interpret that line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul R Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Very interesting grouping Gerd!! You are right about the story overshadowing the actual item!! Thank you for this interesting thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerd Becker Posted May 13, 2006 Author Share Posted May 13, 2006 Very interesting grouping Gerd!! You are right about the story overshadowing the actual item!! Thank you for this interesting thread!Thanks, Paul. I am glad, you liked it. I hope, other people will post their researched screwbacks (hint, hint) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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