wlodzimierz Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Gentlemen,Order of Yugoslav Star 2nd class, or since March 15, 1961 known as Order of Yugoslav star with gold wreath class consists of brest star and neck badge. Brest star has two types: - red star made from enamel- red star made from synthetic rubiesNeck badge has four types:- red star made from enamel - 5 torches on reverse - red star made from synthetic rubies - 5 torches on reverse- red star made from enamel - 6 torches on reverse - red star made from synthetic rubies - 6 torches reverseIf you put brest start and neck badge together you will have 8 different combination.Velitschko (he is author of this russian book about yugoslavian order and medals), identifies only 4 types. He has no differentiation based on 5 and 6 torches. If you added this differentiation you will get 8 types as shown below.How many types/variations do we have, what is you opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 and other brest star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 and other brest starWlodzimierz,I think that you should not mix the brest star with the neck badge; in other terms, you should not treat this as a set, but as individual components, even though together they make up the 2nd class of this order.Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 Thank you Marc,you mean that the key komponent of this set is the neck badge. If yes than indeed we would have 4 different types. Will you see different brest stars as variants? waldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Thank you Marc,you mean that the key komponent of this set is the neck badge. If yes than indeed we would have 4 different types. Will you see different brest stars as variants? waldemarWlodzimierz,I mean that you should catalog each item separately.Component 1: Breast StarThere are 2 varieties to the brest star (enamel/stones)Component 2: Neck BadgeThere are 2 varieties (5/6 torches) each with 2 subvarieties (enamel/stones)Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 Marc,thank you - this is maybe better approach how to define the types/variations.waldemar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Very nice work Waldemar! I guess Marc is right about the classification. It makes things clearer the way he told you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 Gentlemen, here is new version: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoly13 Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 That's better.And reverses of stars should be shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lapa Posted February 10, 2008 Share Posted February 10, 2008 That's better.And reverses of stars should be shown. Definitely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 Gentlemen,I made requested changes. Pages 138 and 139:enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlodzimierz Posted February 17, 2008 Author Share Posted February 17, 2008 It was mistake this were pages 146 and 147 and now pages 148 and 149 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oamotme Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 (edited) Gentlemen,I have been offered, here in Riyadh, a 2nd class set (no ribbon or case but both pieces in excellent condition) - awarded to a Saudi - probably in the 1960's - I have already purchased some of his Arab awards. The set is the ruby version - I cannot recall the flame numbers. The asking price is SR3,800 (US$1,013) - is this a fair price?Kind regards,Owain Raw-ReesP.S. On the above proof sheets - check the spelling of breast as in Breast star - not 'brest' and reverse not 'avers' Edited May 21, 2008 by oamotme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orden_master Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Hello Owaingrab it !!! This is a very correct price for such a set.Best regardsMilanGentlemen,I have been offered, here in Riyadh, a 2nd class set (no ribbon or case but both pieces in excellent condition) - awarded to a Saudi - probably in the 1960's - I have already purchased some of his Arab awards. The set is the ruby version - I cannot recall the flame numbers. The asking price is SR3,800 (US$1,013) - is this a fair price?Kind regards,Owain Raw-ReesP.S. On the above proof sheets - check the spelling of breast as in Breast star - not 'brest' and reverse not 'avers' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoly13 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 It is necessary to take! 2,5 years ago I paid almost in 2 times more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oamotme Posted May 22, 2008 Share Posted May 22, 2008 Gentlemen,Many thanks indeed - I take up this offer and as is traditional here in Arabia I willl try and negotiate a discount!I have a small Yugoslav collection which I have long left alone - I have been in Saudi since 1989 and thus my focus has been on Arab awards. I do have though a Dunav Bridge Medal and the 1945 War Medal. I will see what esle I have and list them for you.Again thank you.Owain (ONSA & OMRS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oamotme Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Gentlemen,On further inspection:Badge & star both have the synthetic ruby star not enamelTher reverse of the badge has five flaming torches.There is a small makers mark on the reverse of the star and on the suspension loop of the badge.Based on the above information and the correspondence on this thread the set is pre-1963 when the reverse was amended to have six flaming torches.Is there any way to further narrow the date by knowing the when the enamelled red star was changed to the synthetic ruby star - e.g. when the name of the order was chaged in 1961?..and by the way I have negotiated down to $980 and I will be collecting the set tomorrow. Thanks for your invaluable advice - it is much appreciated.Kind regard,Owain - in a hot Riyadh - yesterday the temperature reache 46C! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walter483 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Congratulation on your new addition. Please post some pictures when possible - including your other part of yugoslav collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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