2ND BAT 21ST IMP YEO

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HELLO ,

AS A NEW MEMBER JOINING TODAY MAY I SAY HELLO TO ALL,CAN YOU HELP WITH ANY INFORMATION ON A MEDAL I ACQUIRED YESTERDAY.

QSA TO TROOPER W.LOOKER 27458 21ST IMPERIAL YEOMANRY,ANY INFORMATION WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.

REGARDS DAVID...........

[Taz]

Hi David, welcome!

Here are his details if that helps.

Looker, Walter 27458, Trooper, 21st Coy., 2nd Bn. I.Y.

Part of the First Contingent. Companies of volunteers (10,242 men) formed from across the UK. They signed-up for 12 months service. Some of the companies were newly raised, and others (one third) were sponsored by part-time Yeomanry Cavalry regiments which were not liable for overseas service.

2nd Battalion

5th (Warwickshire) Company, raised 1900

21st (Cheshire) Company, raised 1900

- Arrived in SA 25th Feb, 1900

22nd (Cheshire) Company, raised 1900

32nd (Lancashire) Company, raised 1900; co-sponsored by Duke of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry Cavalry, and Lancashire Hussars

103rd (Warwickshire) Company, raised 1901

110th (Northumberland) Company, raised 1901

Not listed as MIA or KIA as far as i can tell

Regards Eddie

Edited August 5, 2008 by Taz

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HELLO EDDIE,

MANY THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY MOST HELPFUL,I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THIS GENTLEMAN.CAN I FIND CONFIRMATION OF HIS ENTITLEMENT TO THE BARS THE MEDAL CARRIES?

BEST REGARDS DAVID

[Taz]

Which bars does it have David?

Regards Eddie

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HELLO EDDIE,

IT HAS THE FOLLOWING ORANGE FREE STATE/CAPE COLONY/1901/1902

REGARDS DAVID

[Taz]

David,

Do you have reason to believe they do not belong on the Medal? It seems to be a normal selection of clasps.

Cape Colony

State

Type

Clasp

11/10/1899 - 31/05/1902

Not awarded if eligible for clasps for actions in Cape Colony or Natal

Orange Free State

State

Type

Clasp

28/02/1900 - 31/05/1902

Troops present within Orange River Colony and did not receive any other clasps for actions within the Orange River Colony.

South Africa 1901

Date

type

Clasp

1901

Troops not eligible for the King's South Africa medal, although they had served at the front during 1901

South Africa 1902

Date

Type

Clasp

1902

Troops not eligible for the King's South Africa medal, although they had served at the front during 1902

They were fighting in the areas denoted by the clasps.

The Date type clasp was issued for the KSA Medal to personnel who were serving in South Africa on or after 1 January 1901 and who would have completed at least 18 months' service prior to 1 June 1902.

Any service in South Africa during 1901 or 1902 that did not meet this criteria was recognised by the award of the appropriate date clasp to the Queen's South Africa Medal. This means he was not eligiable to recieve the KSA.

Regards Eddie.

[Michael Johnson]

Gordon's (aka British Battles and Medals) used to have a chart of the usual medal entitlements of the IY.

Some poking around seems to indicate that the 21st did not qualify for Transvaal. The fact that he has the South Africa 1902 clasp may indicate a transfer to another unit.

Edited August 5, 2008 by Michael Johnson

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HELLO EDDIE,

THE MEDAL IN VF CONDITION,BUT THE 1901/2 CLASPS WERE WIRED ONTO THE STATE BARS THE ASKING PRICE WAS ?125 AND BECAUSE I HAVE PURCHASED MEDALS REGULARLY FROM THIS PERSON I WAS ALLOWED TO TAKE IT UNTILL I COULD CONFIRM THE BARS BEFORE PAYING.SORRY TO TAKE UP SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME BUT I AM VERY GRATEFUL.

REGARDS DAVID

[Guest Rick Research]

All capitalized letters is considering SHOUTING per internet etiquette.

Please type normally.

It is also less annoying to read. :beer:

[Michael Johnson]

Wired date clasps are not unusual, as they were sent after the other clasps, and it was up to the recipient to attach them.

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Hello,

My aplagies i do this mainly because i have poor eyesight even with glasses,whilst i understand your reply i do find it most abrupt.Should you wish i will unsubscibe from this forum,again my aploagies.

Regards David

Captain R M Retired.................

[Michael Johnson]

David, if you are using Internet Explorer, you can increase your text size by selecting:

View, Text Size, and Larger or Largest. Most browsers default to about Medium.

[FOR VALOUR]

Wired date clasps are not unusual, as they were sent after the other clasps, and it was up to the recipient to attach them.

Hello,

Many thanks for taking the time to help.

[Michael Johnson]

Also, clicking on the "Lo-Fi Version" label at the bottom of the screen will give you black text on a white background. The higher contrast may be more readable.

Edited August 5, 2008 by Michael Johnson

[Guest Rick Research]

David: I have one eye, and share your vision difficulties.

Brevity being something I am normally not guilty of was simply trying not to distract more than needed off topic.

Rick

[Taz]

HELLO EDDIE,

THE MEDAL IN VF CONDITION,BUT THE 1901/2 CLASPS WERE WIRED ONTO THE STATE BARS THE ASKING PRICE WAS ?125 AND BECAUSE I HAVE PURCHASED MEDALS REGULARLY FROM THIS PERSON I WAS ALLOWED TO TAKE IT UNTILL I COULD CONFIRM THE BARS BEFORE PAYING.SORRY TO TAKE UP SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME BUT I AM VERY GRATEFUL.

REGARDS DAVID

Hi David,

I think Micheal has answered your query about the wired date clasps already.

If you need more info on Trooper Looker maybe the National Archives can help further. I've included a link below just in case you are not sure of the site address.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militar.../army/step4.htm

Regards Eddie

[Michael Johnson]

According to Gordon, this combination is correct for the second contingent of the 21st Coy. I.Y.

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Hello,

Thank you for your information most helpful,and to all who have been kind enough to reply my thanks again.I realise i have not been on here long enough to sell but could you advise me as to the best place to sell a kia group please details below.

1-QSA WITH CLASPS-CC-TH-OFS-RLS-TRNVL-LNK

2-KSA 1901/2

3-LSGC EDV11 ALL 3 MIDDSEX REG

1915 TRIO 1/R BERKS

DEATH PLAQUE

TEMPERANCE MEDAL 1900

RANKS AS FOLLOWS QSA[CPL]-KSA[sGT]-LSGC[C.SGT]

STAR-2/LIEUT-WAR & VICTORY [CAPT]

BRIEF HISTORY-CAPT COX WAS KIA SUNDAY16/MAY/1915 NEAR FESTUBERT WHILE LEADING A COMPANY 1,ROYAL BERKS HE WAS 41.COMES WITH LARGE AMOUNT OF COPIED PAPERWORK SERVICE DETAILS ECT.ITEMS FOUND ON THE BODY OF THIS OFFICER WERE STOLEN BY A CPL OF THE BAT WHO WAS TRIED BY COURT MARTIAL

regards david

According to Gordon, this combination is correct for the second contingent of the 21st Coy. I.Y.

[perce]

Hi

Very Nice group-Ebay would give you access to world wide bidder salthough for a group like this I would try a specialist auction house(DNW,Spinks etc)

can you post a picture of this group as I would like to see it in all its glory

Cheers

perce

[FOR VALOUR]

Hello Perce,

Thank you for your kindness will try to post pictures.

Hi

Very Nice group-Ebay would give you access to world wide bidder salthough for a group like this I would try a specialist auction house(DNW,Spinks etc)

can you post a picture of this group as I would like to see it in all its glory

Cheers

perce

[perce]

Hi David

What a fantastic group-Thanks for the photos- have stuck a bit more info on for you (which you probably would have already)

Value of this group is going to be quite high as he's a: an officer and b: a infantry group

Seems to be an absolute doozy as a research oppurtunity

Perce

COX, WILLIAM JOSEPHInitials:W JNationality:United KingdomRank:CaptainRegiment/Service:Royal Berkshire RegimentUnit Text:1st Bn.Age:41Date of Death:16/05/1915Additional information:Son of George Wilton Cox and Emma Cox, of Stroud, Glos.; husband of Louisa Rose Cox, of 15, Westborough Rd., Westcliff-on-Sea., Essex.Casualty Type:Commonwealth War DeadGrave/Memorial Reference:I. A. 16.Cemetery:RUE-DES-BERCEAUX MILITARY CEMETERY, RICHEBOURG-L'AVOUE

Hello Perce,

Thank you for your kindness will try to post pictures.

Edited August 8, 2008 by perce

[bigjarofwasps]

I recommend this book.....

COOKE, John H.

5,000 Miles with the Cheshire Yeomanry in South Africa. A Series of articles Compiled from Letters and Diaries Written By Officers, Non-Commissioned Officers and Men of the 21st and 22nd (Cheshire) Companies of Imperial Yeomanry, .......

http://www.vialibri.net/item_pg/1314237.htm

Its not cheap mind about ?500+, but its well worth geting hold of.

In addition to naming I think I`m right in saying that they didn`t start using the rank `Trooper` until later on in the war, the first drafts where ranked as Privates.