Box and medals named von Blomberg

[dante]

Just traded this for a British WW1 medal group (?75), I am sure that the medals do not come with....but very tight fit, however its purported to have been together since being picked up in Germany by a Brit in 1945....as ever welcome your thoughts

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[dante]

Just traded this for a British WW1 medal group (?75), I am sure that the medals do not come with....however its purported to have been together since being picked up in Germany by a Brit in 1945....as ever welcome your thoughts

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Steel EKI looks like pin replaced , pin maker marked "5" (Hermann Wernstein from Jena-L?bstadt)

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[Guest Rick Research]

Ah those old aristocratic families...

the fitted case certainly looks like it was meant for those.

So:

TWO suspects, as the ONLY non-regulars as of 1914.

They weren't "von Blombegs"...

they were FREIHERRN von Blombergs

Rittmeister der Reserve (in 1914 living in Detmold, Lippe) Freiherr von Blomberg (whose first name MAY have been Moritz, with estate in nearby Iggenhausen, Westphalia) who already had an LD1-- in K?rassier Regiment 4

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Stabsarzt der Reserve Dr. Freiherr von Blomberg, LD1 holder, resident in Landwehrbezirk Kosten, Vth Army Corps area in 1914.

My bet would be on the old cavalry Captain. Perfect geography for 1945 souveniring.

Complex titled noblemen often shortened their names-- after all HE knew who he was.

[dante]

Rick, outstanding.....I understand K?rassier officers favoured steel EK1s on their K?rass

[VtwinVince]

Did you say you traded this for 75 pounds? I hope I read that wrong.

[dante]

Did you say you traded this for 75 pounds? I hope I read that wrong.

I traded a Brit group for it that cost me about that albeit a few years ago for it yestaday.........on the basis that group was ok.....but nothing special and the EK1 and wound had been added........he collects Brit and I try to collect Imperial

[Les]

I understand K?rassier officers favoured steel EK1s on their K?rass

I've heard similar things about K?rassiers favoring certain types of EK1's (for example, the ones with two or four small screw backs on the reverse side) that were or could be worn on their breast plates. Call me a sceptic about the stories being real.

Les

[VtwinVince]

Okay, thanks for the clarification. I really like this ensemble.

[Glenn J]

Rittmeister der Reserve (in 1914 living in Detmold, Lippe) Freiherr von Blomberg (whose first name MAY have been Moritz, with estate in nearby Iggenhausen, Westphalia) who already had an LD1-- in K?rassier Regiment 4

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Stabsarzt der Reserve Dr. Freiherr von Blomberg, LD1 holder, resident in Landwehrbezirk Kosten, Vth Army Corps area in 1914.

Rick,

I can confirm that the Rittmeister was Moritz Friedrich Wilhelm Julius Frhr. v. Blomberg and the Stabsarzt was Karl Gotthardt Eberhard Frhr. v. Blomberg.

Karl Frhr. v. Blomberg was promoted to Oberstabsarzt d.R. on 28.11.14 whilst serving with Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 58.

Regards

Glenn

[Guest Rick Research]

Glenn-- have you got anything birth/death related? I've had no luck turning either up. Obviously the Prime Suspect would have had to be alive in 1934/35.

Baron Moritz ( ) wouldn't have gotten anything from Lippe since he was not in an affliated unit and his nearest-District Command norminal reporting office would not have been enough of a connection, especially if he never served anywhere within VIIth Army Corps.

[dante]

If anyone could add to this most excellent research by Rick & Glenn I would welcome it..as ever many thanks, Paul

[arb]

I can add this

Andy

Name	Rang	Regiment	Rittm	Oblt	Leutn	Geb	geboren	gestoren	Gest
Blomberg, Moritz Frhr. von	Rittm. d.R.	KR 4	20.11.1913	27.01.1906	18.10.1895	19.12.1870	Detmold	Iggenhausen	01.04.1940

He transferred to the reserve of KR 4 from Landw. Kav. I Aufg. on 20.11.1913.

He was a Rittergutsbesitzer, Iggenhausen b. Lage (Lippe)

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[Dave Danner]

It would appear that it is neither of the two Blombergs identified above.

Moritz Frhr.v. Blomberg, *19.12.1870 in Detmold, †1.4.1940 auf Iggenhausen, received the Lippe Kriegsverdienstkreuz on 4.2.1915 and acknowledged receipt of the cross by an Empfang dated 22.2.1915. He wasn't in a Lippe-connected formation, as Rick had noted above, but he was born in Lippe's capital and his father had been a Fürstlich lippischer Kammerdirektor and Kammerherr.

Dr. Karl Frhr.v. Blomberg  was born on 24.6.1860 in Berlin and died on 21.6.1930 in Weimar. He was a Sanitätsrat and Direktor of the Provinzial Irren- und Idiotenanstalt in Kosten. He was a Rechtsritter of the Johanniterorden. Since he died in 1930, he would not have had the Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer unless the family mounted it posthumously.

 

[dante]

Ha....so back to the beginning.......help !!!! 

[dante]

It’s a few years ago since I posted this, wondering if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions as to who our Von Blomberg maybe?

many thanks, Paul

[saschaw]

Cannot add anything to the provenience, unfortunately, but...

 

On 16/08/2008 at 19:02, dante said:

Steel EKI looks like pin replaced , pin maker marked "5" (Hermann Wernstein from Jena-Löbstadt)

... this is not a Wernstein made cross! The marking "5" on this WW1 era cross could be anything, but not a 1940s PKZ marking. Probably just some control mark to attribute the cross to a specific worker within the factory, or to a specific batch of production. I guess that's still debated.

 

 

Also, the bar - especially its backing - does not look like 1930s to me. Rather 1950s or 1960s? I have similar groups that contain World War 2 era awards in the de-nazified BRD/FRG design. Are you sure this group was "captured" in 1945, and not possibly obtained some years later? Please, don't get me wrong: I'm not saying (or implying) it's fake! Maybe just a bit younger than we assumed...