TeNo TN Technische Nothilfe Uniforms, Insignia & Other

dblmed · October 6, 2010

Hi OLDUF (!) Hallo to Friesland with beautiful beaches & Islands!

You have certainly shown us some SUPER "Fireworks" of rare & special TeNo fotos!

Many THANKS! What a wonderful TeNo collection!

I have enjoyed studying them & I have taken the liberty of pointing out some of the very

important historical aspects which are shown in your wonderful fotos.

ALL of your fotos are Special, but 3 of the fotos really stand out as images to learn from.

Your TN Fahnentraeger with TN Gorget & TN Flag is the very BEST foto of this type which I have personally ever seen! CONGRATS!

I have added in Pascal's TN Gorget, so that we see what he looked like when the foto was taken.

This foto is a real treat for the eyes! ….Txs, …Dave / dblmed

dblmed · October 6, 2010

OLDUF … This TeNo portrait foto is another great one.

• Mutenzenkranz - It very nicely shows the seldom seen TeNo 1934-1935 Metal Mutenzenkranz,

which was the 1^st one which featured the swastika.

• Collar Tab – the foto shows the 1933-1936 model, about which very little is known – a historical

mystery still! Some of the fascinating aspects are:

The black Collar Tab has a Black & White [?Silver] twisted Piping on only the edge of the lower border.

[Very Special, because

- - - - - the Piping is on only 1 side of the Tab - & -

- - - - - the Piping is Twisted - & - it is not the Silver with Black "V's" / Chevrons, which are seen on the 1936-1945 Tabs.

- - - - - the Number "2" is placed Horizontally - & - not Vertically, as on the 1936-1945 Tabs.

- - - - - there is a Number on the Left Tab – which was replaced in 1936 with the TeNo Zahnrad / Cog.

Super foto! Thanks for sharing! … Dave / dblmed

dblmed · October 6, 2010

OLDUF …. The TeNo group foto is a real classic & a winner!

It shows a great deal of details about the early Technische Nothilfe.

From studying it, I believe that we can narrow down the time frame to between January 25, 1935

[the date that the new TeNo Metal Visor Eagle was authorized] – to mid 1936 [date when the Laurel Mützenkranz was authorized.]

• Oakleaf Mützenkranz – on at least 2 of the Visors, we can see an opening / separation at the top of

the Mützenkranz – letting us know that this was the generic Assmann type which was first used. Later on

came the more familiar Laurel Leaf Mutzenkranz.

• Diamond Armscheibe – is seen on the left sleeve of several of the men. It was officially introduced in 1934

[although there are dated fotos of its wear in late 1933.] It was officially replaced by the TN Eagle Triangle patch in 1935 –

but it was allowed to be worn until 1937. [Most TeNo men were unpaid volunteers – so it is not unusual that we find some

overlap with the uniforms, visors & insignia changes / upgrades.]

• Right Shoulder Board only – is seen here nicely also! Again, very little is known about this, as the Knötel drawing is all

that we currently have as a reference. Hopefully, more historical information will be found.

OLDUF (!) Thanks for sharing your treasure fotos! We learn a great deal. Keep posting more - & - more! … Best Wishes, … Dave / dblmed

dblmed · October 6, 2010

Hi Paulbear….

Great rautes / patches! Perfect condition. You do find those Super items.

But, you have me stumped, as I don't know what they stand for?

I haven't seen them in any TeNo references, but I am eager to learn about them!

Tell us what you have found out about them! Best … Dave / dblmed

paulbear · October 6, 2010

Hi Paulbear….

Great rautes / patches! Perfect condition. You do find those Super items.

But, you have me stumped, as I don't know what they stand for?
I haven't seen them in any TeNo references, but I am eager to learn about them!

Tell us what you have found out about them! Best … Dave / dblmed

Dave same same trying to find a reference they are mint obviously IMO TENO but still looking. Perhaps examples that did not get instituted don't know

PAUL

MACANDPUD · November 22, 2010

I don`t know if you TENO specialists can help me but a few years ago i bought an interesting lot at a local auction .It was listed as "ww2 german airmans caps" in fact it was an almost mint condition TENO nco`s cap.armband and two strange side caps.According to the auctioneer the lot came from a local old lady whose husband picked it up at the end of the war.The cap has a silver flecked piped crown with a plain black ribbed cap band,silver flecked black cap cords and an erel sonderklasse teno eagle sweat shield. The side caps are also mint,made of the same dark blue material as the nco`s cap but have have hexagonal dark blue backed bevo police eagles below cockades on the front. the badge was sewn on during the caps manufacture and the lining is ribbed siver grey synthetic satin.the only marks are printed size56.i believe the caps are associated but can find no reference to Teno staff wearing police type side caps.I was told that teno were under police control at one time but you would know that better than me.Any ideas? mac i shall try and post some pictures later

paulbear · November 22, 2010

here is a scarce honour cuff I just acquired

MACANDPUD · November 22, 2010

i have a strange side cap that came from a local auction with a near mint teno nco`s cap.the side cap is police style but in teno dark blue cloth same as the cap.silver grey bevo police eagle below cockade on a hexagonal dark blue backing. the badge was sewn on during manufacture.The lining is silver grey ribbed synthetic satin.two of these side caps came with the nco cap and an arm band .came from a local vet.Any ideas. i was told teno were under police control but did they wear police insignia.?mac

dblmed · November 23, 2010

MACANDPUD,

Your nice cache of items do sound like they are TeNo, as described.

It's always a bit difficult without seeing the items.

Please post Photos & we can help with identifying them....

Paulbear,

CONGRATS! on your Super 1919 TeNo 'Honor' Cuff Title. That's a hard year to locate, so well done (!)

Best... Dave / dblmed

dblmed · December 22, 2010

Many Thanks to you GEROME / swpblitz, for sharing the photo of this rare TeNo GORGET (!)

Pascal / Straßburger had also posted some photos of it, on 10-03-2010, as follows below.

http://www.wehrmacht...&highlight=teno

The construction follows what is known from the TR historical record for the TeNo / TN Gorget:

* Domed 'heart shaped' construction with rebated edge;

* 15 cogs for the central roundel;

* 9 cogs for the 2 corner post roundels;

* 8 rays for the central star;

* White leather circle for the central element backing;

* Central TeNo 'Red Enamel Pin' for the center element;

* Link chain type neck support;

[*] Metal type used - the original TeNo regulations specified Nickel-Silver as the metal for construction. From your foto, it does look like Nickel-Silver to my eye, but only you can determine if it is constructed of

Nickel-Silver, or if it is made of Aluminum?[*] Pascal confirmed it as being of Nickel-Silver

The Regs. also specified the use of a Nickel-Silver linked chain for this gorget ...

Reverse: Is quite fascinating to see. Since the gorget is a definite Domed type.

Many Thanks for sharing this SUPER TeNo Gorget with us! ... Dave L / dblmed

dblmed · December 22, 2010

Then Caracciola posted his relic TeNo Gorget. We were able to learn a lot more about the construction from it. http://www.wehrmacht...&highlight=teno

Merci Beaucoups Caracciola !

CONGRATULATIONS for your TeNo Relic Gorget !

Owning a Relic Example of the rare TeNo Gorget is a whole lot better than having NO example at all !

Your TeNo Gorget confirms many of the design characteristics as shown in Pascal's

posting. Plus your Maker's Emblem P. MEYBAUER BERLIN - is unique - the very

1st one seen! Congrats!

Caracciola - In examining your TeNo Gorget, you are in a special circumstance to

see it & understand its construction.

(1) Perhaps you will be able to help us understand "HOW" that the corner COG /

ZAHNRAD & central POST was constructed?

(2) I have listed & shown some "Theories" but only you can tell us which is correct

[as I have never examined a TeNo Gorget.]

(3) I do not wish for you to disassemble the corner COG / ZAHNRAD & central

POST ! !

(4) Perhaps you can slip a Paper Clip gently under the structural elements - &

determine "IF" they are SOLID or HOLLOW & "IF" 1 or 2 Parts?.

IF you can do this - it would answer a LOT of questions!!!

IF you can not do this, that is fine & OK also.

CONGRATS! ... Best Wishes, Dave L / dblmed

dblmed · December 22, 2010

Caracciola - posted some very interesting X-Rays of his relic TeNo Gorget. Again, we were able to learn even more about the construction of the gorget. http://www.wehrmacht...&highlight=teno

From reviewing the X-Rays which Caracciola provided, we now know that the corner Cogs-&-Post were made

as 2 pieces to complete the design element.

Thanks to Caracciola ! !

Lots of "Fireworks" regarding the mystical TeNo Gorget has been posted lately. Great material to learn from.

….Txs, …Dave L / dblmed

Odulf · December 22, 2010

Thanks Dave for your kind words and thorough explanation of my pics.

Next, adding to the Schuma Theme, I will post some pocs from that intersting but very difficult caregory.

I have categorized these pics as Schuma, but if any one holds a different opinion I'm willing to learn.

# 1 - Werkschutz

Odulf · December 22, 2010

# 2 - Werkschutz der Focke Wulf Flugzeugwerke

Odulf · December 22, 2010

#3 - Unidentified Schutzmannschaft. The picture was taken by a photographic studio in Utrecht (The Netherlands). During the occupation of the country, the German authorities erected a Security and Guarding Unit of elderly Germans and Dutch unfit for front duties. They were dressed in spinach coloured uniforms and thus nucknamed by the Dutch public as Spinachmen. Note the large metal eagle on the Feldmütze.

Odulf · December 22, 2010

#4 - Unidentified Wachmann. On the collar tab a 4-pointed star (like for Scharführer), on the cap below the Kokarde a yet unidentified shield shaped badge.