Weimar Wierdness

[landsknechte]

Finally found a halfway decent photograph of the Hessian Red Cross medal that I was thinking of. It has 1914 on it, so I suppose that question is answered at least.

Knowing my luck, there's probably a decoration or two on here that's being represented by a "close enough" expediency.

Edited December 1, 2005 by landsknechte

[CRBeery]

I owe you a better picture than this but this is all I have right now. I will have to open the vault. I remember this as being more pink than red.

[landsknechte]

I owe you a better picture than this but this is all I have right now. I will have to open the vault. I remember this as being more pink than red.

What decoration is that? This is the one that I was thinking of:

[CRBeery]

Actually it is kind of a mystery to me. I have only found one other for sale and it was described as a Hessian award and was on the same ribbon as I show. I do not know if I saved the other picture or not.

[Stogieman]

It tends more into the realm of red/shocking pink side.........

The cross is the Hessian Milit?r=Sanit?ts=Kreuz...

The Medal is the Hessian Ehrenzeichen f?r Kriegsf?rsorge

[Stogieman]

PS: The cross was made 1870/71, 1876, there's a bar for 1914..... then remade 1914, 1914-17, 1917

Good luck catching all the date variations! ;>)

[landsknechte]

PS: The cross was made 1870/71, 1876, there's a bar for 1914..... then remade 1914, 1914-17, 1917

Good luck catching all the date variations! ;>)

At least that leaves the "order of received" theory intact should that be what's represented.

Thanks,

--Chris

[Stogieman]

On eBay right now:

[landsknechte]

Stumbled across these this evening on Huesken's website:

"SILBERNE ERINNERUNGSMEDAILLE 1909"

[landsknechte]

....and a "BRONZENE ERINNERUNGSMEDAILLE 1909"

(Which only apparently exists in very small photographs.)

[Guest Rick Research]

And he scores scores SCORES!!!!!!

Still can't explain any of it, but the ORANGE edges and proportions on that are an EXACT match, and since the entire bar x2 is screwy, why not? Luxemburg, Holland....

My best guess had been the old M1825-1913 Prussian XXI Years Service Brooch, but the edges on your 1909 are definitely a match, while a yellow edged XXI was just nearest seeming rationally possible.

Once we simply discard "possible" things for what is actually ON these two Freaky Bars...

Give yourself a second notch for identification of bizarre ribbons!!!!

[landsknechte]

And he scores scores SCORES!!!!!!

Still can't explain any of it, but the ORANGE edges and proportions on that are an EXACT match, and since the entire bar x2 is screwy, why not? Luxemburg, Holland....

My best guess had been the old M1825-1913 Prussian XXI Years Service Brooch, but the edges on your 1909 are definitely a match, while a yellow edged XXI was just nearest seeming rationally possible.

Once we simply discard "possible" things for what is actually ON these two Freaky Bars...

Give yourself a second notch for identification of bizarre ribbons!!!!

...and it gets weirder. There's another one out there. These were given out by Adolph of Nassau until 1866 as an official state decoration of Nassau, and until 1890 as a decoration "from exile", and then from 1890 onwards as an official decoration of Luxemburg.

[landsknechte]

Apparently Nassau was one of those states with as much creativity in ribbon design as Oldenburg...

[Guest Rick Research]

Hmm... two possibles for the price of one-- is that double points or half credit each?

Anyway, "Luxemburg Wuzzit" still claims 1st position!

[landsknechte]

Well it looks like we can scratch the Milit?r-Sanit?ts-Kreuz off for the red and white ribbon. It appears as if that one is supposed to appear on a red ribbon with wider silver stripes.

Are there any units that have Dutch "chiefs", possibly as an explanation for the Dutch ribbon?

Edited December 5, 2005 by landsknechte

[David Gregory]

Well it looks like we can scratch the Milit?r-Sanit?ts-Kreuz off for the red and white ribbon. It appears as if that one is supposed to appear on a red ribbon with wider silver stripes.

Just to confuse matters, the Milit?r-Sanit?ts-Kreuz was also awarded on the same ribbon as for the Hessen Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen for front-line medics.

[landsknechte]

Just to confuse matters, the Milit?r-Sanit?ts-Kreuz was also awarded on the same ribbon as for the Hessen Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen for front-line medics.

Ah well, at least we can say with some reasonable shred of certainty that it was something Hessian. If it weren't for that meddling KEZ, we'd at least be able to narrow it down to something medical.

[Daniel Krause]

... and the very same Nassau style ribbon was used for the Weimar time Fire Brigade medal of the Fire brigade association Hessen- Nassau.

Best regards

Daniel

[landsknechte]

... and the very same Nassau style ribbon was used for the Weimar time Fire Brigade medal of the Fire brigade association Hessen- Nassau.

Best regards

Daniel

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[JensF.]

But the CoL has white stripes on red. This is my 1918 model with swords. Ok, the stripes are too narrow... I also think it is something from Hessen on the ribbon bar. Maybe the Sani-Cross.

Edited December 8, 2005 by JensF.

[landsknechte]

Hmmm...

The ribbon bar chart that surfaced in this thread (link here) shows a remarkably similar ribbon to the ribbon in first place as the Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt "Medal of Merit for Combatants 1898-1914". Anyone know anything about that decoration?

--Chris

[landsknechte]

I can't extracate the image from the PDF of Thies' latest catalog, but I may have found another match on page 24:

"Medaille auf die 200-Jahr-Feier des 2. Bat. 7. Th?r. Inf. Reg. No. 96"

Curiouser and curiouser...

[g_deploige]

But the CoL has white stripes on red. This is my 1918 model with swords. Ok, the stripes are too narrow... I also think it is something from Hessen on the ribbon bar. Maybe the Sani-Cross.

this is from Finland: Order of the Cross of Liberty (Wartime)

Medals of the world

[landsknechte]

Random thought... Would this bar make any more sense if it were the bottom row of a double row bar?

[Guest Rick Research]

Nope. Makes absolutely no sense at all, even as is!